wilargro

[malleefarmer]

Outsider looking in, he made a valid point about access to storage and handling facilities and probably has other supply chain issues before this gets sorted.
Both sides of the argument have to use some logic becaus there are common issues wether for or against the cwb that you have to fix before you even get to first base, or you will get nowere and in 2021 you will stillbe having bthe same argument

[TOM4CWB]

Mallee,

There has always been easy money in handling CWB grain. It is why the CWB was set up... to pay grainco's big $$$... while confiscating growers grain... was the CWB's 'single desk' pooling caper... to pay growers 60 percent down... and claim a fair/ higher price than any other system... no matter how substandard a price was paid.

If co. A can make $15/t or more on CWB grain... you can bet they will be lining up to get as much of the gravy handle as possible.

There are loads of producer based terminals... and producer car loading systems... who will bring competition and any capacity the CWB will need.

Mallee...ask Wilagro if he ever loaded producer or dealer cars? They can be accessed just about anywhere... if growers ask nicely. With graincarts that have scales... they are a snap to load.

[charliep]

A difference in Canada is that individual companies invest in and own
elevators for their exclusive use. They handle their own grain that they have
purchased through these high through put facilities (not meant to store -
that occurs on farm) or on behalf of organizations they have handling
agreements with (CWB, canola crushers, etc.). As has been highlighted in
previous threads, grain companies make money on elevation and handling
grain multiple times during a crop year. A 40,000 tonne elevator would like
to handle 400,000 tonnes plus of grain/oilseeds.

In the current world, the CWB has commercial handling agreement with all
the elevators. They have access to all wheat and barley for export so a
pretty easy negotiation and to be honest, grain companies aren't unhappy
with the situation except when board policy/shipping impacts the
performance of an elevator system (bring in grain that doesn't move into an
elevator and only pays storage). Grain companies are paid well to handle
and store CWB grains.

In the new world, grain companies will be able to buy wheat and barley for
export on their own account and make sales outside the CWB system. In
some sense they do this today because most grain companies are
accreditted exporters for sales to export/domestic customers and they
recieve grain from farmers via their primary elevators. The CWB is effectively
a broker today with elements of being a price cop, looking after sales
shipping priorties and managing the pooling/delivery system which provides
market signals to farmers.

The question is whether the CWB maintains access to elevator/delivery via
commercial contracs (they have working relationships) or government
legislation. I believe that the most effective mechanism will be a commercial
one. But in Canada we like rules. Then we have rules about rules. Then we
have rules about rules about rules. Then we have more rules. We have so
many rules we forget what the first rule was put into effect for.

I find it hard to believe that 5 years plus have gone by (should have occurred
before that) and the CWB/Canadian grain companies have not had a
conversation about how they would like to operate in a deregulated market
outside the current single desk together with recommendations.

The first conversation shouldn't be about the survival of the CWB but rather
what does the system needs to operate effiently and at low cost with good
service to all members of the supply chain starting with farmers.

[Prairiefire]

Tom , dealer cars can be loaded and sent to port ? Canola,flax and peas ?

[Prairiefire]

Tom , asking a grain co to use its siding to load producer cars....are you kidding?

[BTOfarmallll]

Tom, I load Rail Cars sometimes, ship em' South. I don't think it is possible to load em' with a Grain Cart, To high & Auger can't reach far enough in, Also the hole ain't that wide at the top, make a mess loading. Yous ain'ta loud to load em' on the Elevators Siding, Big No, No, case yer Fat Ass falls off the Car, yous would sue em'. Not 4 everybody, its work..........

[BTOfarmallll]

Besides Yous already got the Auger there to transfer the grain from Super B to Grain Cart, so might as well go directly into Car. Why burn fuel, wear equipment out 4 unnecessary work when yous say farmers have no money, DUH........

[TOM4CWB]

BTO,

However you scale into the hoppercar... your choice.

I need to know the loaded weight of the railcar.

[BTOfarmallll]

Tom, use The Freaking Elevator Scale, like Me.......