Either way life will go on!

[wd9]

Wilagro said:
Freedom of choice for less return...yep makes sense...but we got our "magic beans" and that's all that matters.

So if canola was on the Board, i'd be getting a premium for it as opposed to the lower price i receive today because of the cost of choice? If i supposedly get a premium for a crop that is grown in every country (wheat) i should be able to get 20 bucks a bushel for the crop grown in few countries (canola)?

Every crusher and exporter would have to buy thru the board, pay more than world price as a premium, and i would be rich because i have no choice where to market?

Is this what you are saying Willie?

[wilagro]

Whatever the way you want to interpret...doesn't matter any more. Will just sit back and watch chaos set in as the feds dismantle the CWB brick by brick.

[TOM4CWB]

Willy,

Actually the CWB has been dismantling themselves brick by brick... ship by anchour... day by day...

It is/was really simple.

A competitive CASH price is needed.

All the CWB needed to do... was to stop pooling their (our) cash grain sales... and start selling that grain at competitive prices to those buyers who would pay a fair price.

So the pool is pulling apart the CWB... one brick at a time.

The Pool leaks Willy... and I am tired of dumping good money after bad.

If the CWB was throwing their bricks at you... Willy... perhaps you would agree with us!

[Fransisco]

Only a die hard socialist would think of more freedom and greater profits as... "chaos".

[wd9]

Wilagro, your answer is as expected. Maybe Integrity-farmer can help you out.

[PrairieSodBuster]

Okay I'm not quite off the soapbox yet. I need to answer back some points brought up by a few people.

First point. Very few if any containers get back hauled empty back to China it's cheaper for them to build new ones. They get unloaded and someone buys them up to resale to farmers, small business owners etc. I have a few on my place right now being used as first rate storage for spare parts and stuff I find a good deal on. I suspect many of you do as well.

However I think that shipping grain back in containers is a good idea. I'm just not sure it has got to the stage yet where it could support the whole industry. Is there efficiency? What is the costs and ultimately is it any cheaper than the current system? The solution then may not be just one thing but many different things, or local initiatives.

Why is it that if we don't agree with your position we are socialists. I have voted center-right for all my life. You might call me a red Tory or a blue Liberal, but I have never voted for the NDP ever, ever. Also as I have said again and again and again ad nauseum I support a center of the road common ground approach, but am always labelled one side or the other (usually the opposite of the person deriding me). However I won't get pissed off this time or get baited into another verbal brawl. It's just a no win situation and I have better things to do with my time.

You've won, what more do you need? Do you also need the satisfaction of smashing your "enemy" in the face. Another group in the 30's also had that satisfaction and look what happened. I personally don't care what you say about me, but maybe I'm just asking for a once civilized people to practice "grace and generosity in victory and nobility in defeat"...because the course is now set and I don't see it changing and there are much bigger fish to fry now.

[Fransisco]

"Why is it that if we don't agree with your position we are socialists?"

Someone who disagrees with me is not automatically a socialist.

But if someone, like wilagro, consistently takes a socialist position, like on the single desk, and uses socialist arguments, like freedom sucks, they should not be surprised if someone, at sometime, calls them a socialist.

I also find it interesting that socialists take offense at being identified as to what they are. I've been called many things, Libertarian, free marketer, Conservative, free trader, none of which I personally find offensive,because in one way or another its basically true.

[charliep]

PrairieSodBuster,

I agree with your last paragraph.

Any thoughts on how you would move this discussion from win/loss to ideas about moving the new CWB forward. Could be contracting programs for farmers that they would commit to early in the crop year. Could be access for the new CWB elevator/transportation system (commercial and/or regulated). Could be continuation of government quarantees on CWB borrowing until WTO comes into effect. Could specialized programs so the new CWB can add value to grain companies sales programs (eg. moving market development and branding programs outside the CWB to CIGI or a new organization). Could be a capital injection into the new CWB or funding some of the current CWB activities (see 2006 task force). The list could go on. Is there any format for having this type of discussion by the industry or is it simply a black and white issue portrayed here?

[Fransisco]

PSB- Since you consider yourself a centrist think about the following quote from Bishop Desmond Tutu. It might put things in a bit better perspective for you.

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Being a "centrist" does not automatically put one on the high road of any argument.

We may have won, but for now the elephant is still very much on our tail and from all accounts will remain there till well after next Christmas. I for one don't appreciate the people who are vigorously arguing that the elephant should remain where it is. Particularly when it is still inflicting a lot of damage.

[Fransisco]

PSB- Since you consider yourself a centrist think about the following quote from Bishop Desmond Tutu. It might put things in a bit better perspective for you.

“If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.”

Being a "centrist" does not automatically put one on the high road of any argument.

We may have won, but for now the elephant is still very much on our tail and from all accounts will remain there till well after next Christmas. I for one don't appreciate the people who are vigorously arguing that the elephant should remain where it is. Particularly when it is still inflicting a lot of damage.

[wd9]

To suggest the next steps of the CWB is like us posting suggestions for the next steps of Cargill. Pointless. The steps must and will come from the board of DIRECTORS of the CWB and we all know the type of business sense and innovation they have. That is the problem.

[freewheat]

Precisely, wd9.