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    #25
    Kathy you forgot Bill 24, the Carbon Capture bill, which is the most blatant property grab of the whole bunch?
    Bills 19, 50, 36 are all similar in that they "might" take away your property......Bill 24 "DID" take your property...without compensation and without due process of law!
    Did you know that no longer can you deny a company the right to put an injection well on your land? Or that you can deny a seismic company the right to cross your land for the purpose of finding suitable locations for C02 storage?
    Prior to Bill 24 you did not have to allow injection. Bill 24 was a pretty slimy deal.....first the government "clarified" the ownership of the pore space by calling it a mineral and then they "vested" the pore space mineral to themselves......therefore not having to expropriate the "mineral"....and actually paying compensation and opening themselves to a court challenge?
    This bill sets a precedent for the eventual "vesting" of all freehold mineral rights!
    Now, with the passage of Bill 24, the government has the right to access their "mineral"(pore space) and you have no right to say what happens beneath your land?
    By the way "pore space' is defined as any space occupied by a liquid, gas, or solid object that is removed. This could include the roots from plants! Legally speaking, the government just stold your land!
    ......of course they like to stress....they would never do that.....but that isn't what the law says? Keith Wilson will tell you Bill 24 is the greatest grab of all.....it just hasn't got the attention it needs yet because no one can believe the government could be that evil!

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      #26
      Cochrane and Strathmore tomorrow. 1pm at the Ranche House and 7pm at the Civic Center.

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        #27
        Didn't forget it (24) the dot dot dot is for all the other crap passed by this pathetic government... puppets for the large corporations and our neighboring government.

        When a former Greek resident was asked what he thought about the goings on in Greece (the banker bailout scam).. he stated that he "..didn't care I live in Canada now."

        How stupid. Our economies are so interlinked now, that all of us are paying for bailing out these corrupt bankers and governments.... People who come from other countries make up a large portion of our population, and as long as they think things are still better here than where they came from.... well, they won't rock the boat.

        One thing I am seriously concerned about, is the use of "delegated authorities" with "the powers of the Minister (except to make regulation)"... but no liability as they are NOT considered "agents of the Crown" - yet they will be doing all the dirty work against the people of this province. When economies are bad... (USA is bankrupt)... people will do any job to make a dime.

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          #28
          There is a very serious threat that nuclear power is planned for Alberta. SCN Lavalin aka Alta Link...aka Bruce Power... just bought Atomic Energy Canadas "commercial division" for the sale of nuclear power plants et al. They want to pollute Alberta because it is an Oasis, with lots of fresh clean water, food and other resources. Nuclear power is about two things... making money at the expense of the environment and people... and depopulating the world.

          Interesting things happening in Chernobyl area, and other areas with radiation contamination... while there "appears" to be a wide swath of animals populating the contaminated areas... in fact, there is fertility problems... the "colorful" birds are disappearing and the genetic effects might take a few generations to really start to show up in the visible wildlife... Chernobyl was only 25 years ago... time will tell... an there isn't one dang thing that we can do to remedy the situation (once the radioactive cat is out of the bag, there is no putting it back).

          Watch "Chernobyl Heart" (you tube) if you want to see some of the "effects" of their nuclear holocaust.

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            #29
            I have no doubt about the dangers of nuclear power. I too am very concerned. This program on OASIS had a different slant - propaganda? perhaps. Hope? - I don't know.

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              #30
              littledoggie I'm glad to hear you are also concerned about nuclear power, to many people only hear the industries' and governments' propaganda.

              You may want to watch this you tube video which shows how the nuclear industry and government (UK in this case) colluded to keep information from the public (re: fukushima) and to down-play all the problems in Japan:

              "Governments/Corporations Cover ups Confirmed : Los Alamos, Fort Calhoun, Fukushima 7/3/2011"
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al5KYyw5jYg

              apprx. 6 minutes long.

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                #31
                Thank you, I will try and have a look at it - computer woes.
                Just to explain a little that the OASIS program touched on: Scientists went into the zone and radio collared a bunch of wolves. This area used to be an enormous swamp that even the hordes of Genghis Khan couldn't get across. During the Stalin era the whole area was ditched and turned into agricultural land. Anyway, the scientists tracked the wolves and took note of what they were eating and how radio-active the kill was. They also went to their dens and tested their young. There were no deformities. All the animals they studied were radio-active. The rodents, the fish, the raptors. Yet everything was thriving. Keep in mind that there has been many generations since the disaster. And the whole zone was slowly converting itself back into a swamp. Many animals that had been run out by development returned.
                Propaganda? I couldn't even guess. But in some small way, it gave me some hope that nature will renew. Did these animals perhaps evolve to survive being radio-active? Do people? Maybe we're adapting right now.

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                  #32
                  Creatures that have 'evolved' to withstand high levels of radiation do exist. Monsanto uses, for example, DNA from bacteria that can survive high levels of ionizing radiation to create their "Roundup ready" canola.

                  There are manganese based proteins that can protect the cells from extreme damage; Monsanto and other companies are splicing these genes into crops and potentially into GM livestock.

                  The problem with the word evolve is far too big for this thread, needless to say that 'damage' to DNA is always a dangerous thing - NOT a good thing. What man fails to understand (aka scientists who play God)... is that the turning on and off of silent genetic material is more complex than we can ever imagine, let alone track (as a whole being)... ya we can track things in tiny little studies looking at A and B, but our world is made up of zillions of combinations of A-Z. We need to stop playing with genetic materials and especially creating new combos that can't be created naturally.

                  The 'no deformities' you speak of in the OASIS doc.? can you better define what this means/t... Again, I cannot stress enough that following a few wolves and their young does not represent the picture well. There may have very well been many canines that ceased to exist, only the undamaged who perhaps recently found their way into the contaminated zone appear to be thriving??.... Once in the zone, they will become contaminated absolutely... but can we trace their steps back 25 years.

                  I know the Russians moved in some Fjord horses to the region after Chernobyl to see how they'd manage... would like to see analysis of their blood etc. for DNA damage.

                  Insects are especially tough, due to short life spans... Their ability to switch on genes (for proteins enzymes etc) that protect them from the ionizing radiation is more expedient than a long living mammal like us. This is why we see antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria. (NOT to rule out the potential for man-made super bacteria - thanks to lab rats with too much money and time on their hands)...

                  The faster a creature can procreate and produce young, the less likely that the radiation will cause damage... as the newbies that get zapped by radiation are extremely vulnerable in the earliest stages and die, most times even before they are born - or a mother knows she is even pregnant.

                  The Petkau Effect is an interesting study on the effects of low level ionizing radiation over long periods of time... there is an excellent book out on the matter (older publication)... Dr. Petkau of Manitoba Canada discovered that low level ionizing radiation could have even more damaging effects (over time) than a shorter high level dosage.

                  Man's DNA is being cooked... not just by radiation but from all the other abusive substances in our environment (mostly man-made).... In time, man will only be able to recreate life in a test tube and artificially implant the ovum in an otherwise sterile host. Having a baby will cost you, and hence the goal of population control and the Georgia Guide-stones is full-filled:
                  http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/stones.htm

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                    #33
                    link: August 2, 2011 http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110802p2a00m0na018000c.html

                    "Highest levels of radiation measured since March 11/ 2011 detected at Fukushima nuclear reactors"

                    For the article go to link. Measurements at a venting stack went OFF SCALE. ie: Over 10 sieverts per hour.

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                      #34
                      Thank you Kathy for the time you commit to this issue. You are very much more knowledgable on the topic then I am. The program on OASIS only presented a small iota of information as it relates to this topic.

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                        #35
                        I have a new documentary for everyone to watch, download and copy etc. and get your family/neighbors to watch to. It is very well done, and gives us all a personal window into the lives of farmers, a race horse breeder, etc. living with the nuclear fallout and the loss of their soil viability - and thus their livelihoods:

                        Nuclear : Collaborating to create a radioactive fallout contamination map
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzX3gAxp58&feature=player_embedded

                        The documentary is 1 hour 28 minutes long. Radiation scientists are video documenting as they go, and have analyzed soil and vegetation samples along the way... Please watch it, the values for radioactive cesium, iodine etc in the soil are incredibly high... I will post this link on a new message as well.

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                          #36
                          link to video:
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVzX3gAxp58

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