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    Column # 693 Lies Someone Told Me, Beingessner 03/11/08



    Of all the lies told about the future of the CWB if it loses its monopoly, one of the biggest is the idea that producer cars and short line railways will somehow survive this sea change. They won't. At least not the ones in Saskatchewan, which is home to all the short lines that exist on grain dependent branch lines. There are, in fact, seven of these. They are the Great Western Rail, Southern Rails Cooperative, Red Coat Road and Rail, Fife Lake Railway, Wheatland Railway, Thunder Rail, and Torch River Rail.



    Other short lines on grain dependent branch lines operated for a time in Manitoba and Alberta, but eventually failed. The striking difference was the fact that the railways that failed in Saskatchewan's sister provinces were owned by private investors. The seven short lines in Saskatchewan are all community owned. And, while they do move other traffic, all are heavily dependent on producer cars for the majority of their traffic.



    The short lines in Saskatchewan started life as attempts to retain grain handling options for farmers. They were seen as means to an end. Maintaining the railway would not only allow farmers the option of loading producer cars, it would also allow for the possibility of other economic development initiatives in the community. Alberta's and Manitoba's grain dependent short lines were started and owned by private investors wanting to make a buck. Without a substantial grain elevator presence, which the short lines do not have, there is no buck to be made owning a grain dependent short line.



    There may be, however, survival, if the short line attracts enough producer cars and other traffic to pay the bills and maintain the track. While it has been a tough business, the older short lines, Southern Rails, Red Coat and Great Western, have been able to do just that. They have also succeeded to some extent in the economic development game. Red Coat garnered a rail car repair facility, Southern Rails gained a pulse processor, and Great Western operates its neighbouring short lines - Red Coat and Fife Lake. The latter has a kaolin mine.



    But producer cars remain critical to their survival, and survival is a year-to-year thing. Producer cars themselves depend entirely on the CWB. Ten or twelve thousand producer cars of CWB grains move each year, mostly from short lines. Though farmers grow millions of tonnes of canola, peas, flax and lentils in Saskatchewan, virtually none of these move in producer cars. Nor will they, since the grain companies that control these crops don't want to lose the lucrative handling charges they make by moving them through their country elevators.



    With the CWB, producer cars work for two reasons. One is price pooling. Price pooling works because the CWB has a monopoly over export sales of wheat and barley. Its overwhelming position in the market means it makes sales year round, into all available markets. This allows farmers to have confidence in a pooled price. Without the single desk, the CWB's dominance disappears, as it has to rely on its competitors to handle grain for it both inland and at port. Its sales would be limited and price pooling would be a scary prospect for farmers who wouldn't know how large or small the pool might turn out to be.



    The second reason producer cars work now is the CWB's ability to take part in the railways' car ordering systems. Small blocks of cars have a low priority for the railways, but the CWB's size gives it flexibility to allocate cars to producers. Without the CWB, a farmer wanting to load his own car could still get one, if he could find a terminal that would take his grain and allow him the advantage producer cars currently allow (not something they do now). But he would get that car at the railway's leisure. This is not a happy prospect for someone selling into a spot market that needs timely delivery.



    Without a dominant CWB, producer cars might exist in theory. Their practical use would be almost non-existent. And without virtually all the producer cars they now obtain, short lines would rapidly fail. Their debts and high track maintenance costs would ensure this. And with them would go other community investments on their tracks and any future economic prospects that depend on rail. That, sadly, is an economic certainty.



    © Paul Beingessner

    #2
    Chuckchuck,

    How much of the pool is NOT going through the PPO system now?

    The CWB CLAIMS the pools are not affected by PPO pricing... now the truth is that PPO prices are just glorified pool prices... with the cream lifted off the top and given to growers in the non-ppo CWB POOL!!!

    You folks want to suck and blow. THis is not cooperation... it does not respect private property rights... it is confiscation of growers produce WITHOUT fair compensation... to cross-subsidise other growers with the $$$ confiscated. THIS is a subsidy... paid these people... by their neighbours'farms sucking the economic life out of them.

    IS this RIGHT and JUST Chuckchuck?

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      #3
      If you expect me to believe that this journalist
      wrote this Chuck your nuts . This is the CWB
      propaganda machine at work and the media
      playing along as the dutiful servant of the largest
      advertiser in the Ag sector in Canada . I know
      people like you think that I should cross
      subsidize small towns and other non efficient
      farmers but soon that won't be the case . I haul
      by truck 90miles one way you don't see me
      asking you for a hand out . Tough shit if a few
      small towns get smaller it's been going on for 80
      years and not going to stop .

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        #4
        The CWB with its almighty power and its reliance on the real grain marketers to actually move the grain allowed the elevation charge to be out of control. This is the only reason a bulk commodity like wheat would ever see an advantage with a producer car. Its false and deceptive economics.

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          #5
          Lies Someone Told Me...

          What about that still quiet voice... telling you;

          What you are doing by taking other folks grain... IS WRONG!!!???

          Didn't your mother tell you:

          Do unto others as you would have done unto you,

          Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you;

          2. Practical Reality of these 'Golden Rules"

          A. Do not infringe upon the Rights, Freedoms or Property of others, and
          Keep all contracts willingly, knowingly and intentionally


          B. That for every wrong there is a remedy,

          C. The end does not justify the means,

          D. Fundamental principals cannot be set aside to meet the demands of convenience or to prevent apparent hardship in a particular case,

          E. Ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law,

          F. Two wrongs do not make a right, and

          G. One can enlarge the rights of the people, however they cannot be taken away without their informed consent.

          Chuckchuck... you and your Obergite 'single desk' buddies are breaking every rule in the legal dictionary on 'Commonlaw' rights of the citizen.

          Sooo... who is telling the lies here?

          This thing you are doing is ethical... the moral high ground.... does not conflict with the CWB 'Code of Conduct and conflict of Interest guidelines'?

          Think this through again Chuckchuck!!!

          Do I see your nose growing over there???

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            #6
            Comedian farmers will ultimately get what
            they deserve. If and when the cwb meets
            its demise. The law of the jungle will
            apply! Most comedian farmers hate one
            another anyways..............soo this will
            probably be a good thing!!!!!!

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              #7
              Burbert:

              "Lies Someone Told Me"

              We hate each other... yet we are trying to make CWB 'Marketing Choice' work... and Oberg is the most arrogant and hateful person who is trying to stop us from working together. WHY?

              Who hates WHO?

              Speaking for yourself again Burbert???

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                #8
                With all due respect to the late Paul Beingessner, he had it wrong.

                We can all agree that the landscape will be substantially different without the single desk, however Mr. Beingessner did not factor that into his analysis.

                He points out that those short lines that failed were owned by “private investors wanting to make a buck”. This is meant to show a distinction from farmer-owners. I guess farmers that put up their own money for an enterprise somehow aren’t “investors” and have motives other than to “make a buck”. He says “Without a substantial grain elevator presence, which the short lines do not have, there is no buck to be made owning a grain dependent short line”. So any money being made from shortline ownership actually comes from loading cars? When they say they made (saved) $1,200/car loading their own cars, how much of that goes toward buying the rail line in the first place?

                It appears Beingessner thought rail lines were important for economic development. But take a look at Steinbach, MB. It is one of the most economically vibrant towns in the prairies – and with no rail access. Never had.

                He said “grain companies ... don't want to lose the lucrative handling charges they make by moving them (non-CWB crops) through their country elevators”. Fact is this: margins on non-CWB’s are much less than on CWB grains; the only reason producer cars make sense at all is because of the high elevation charges for CWB grains. Once we get competition in the wheat market, those margins will drop as well – as will the cost incentive to load cars.

                That's the real threat to producer cars and short lines - lower elevation costs through increased competition.

                He also talks about the CWB’s car allocation “might” being used for the benefit of producer car loaders. But the CWB does not allocate these cars; they come “off the top” and are actually administered by the CGC.

                He says producer cars will be non-existent without the single desk. That doesn’t explain why producer cars of oats have climbed in numbers over the last 5 years or so.

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                  #9
                  Lies the CWB tells everyone - Farmers get a premium for wheat and barley sold through the CWB system.
                  Biggest lie in history....

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