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    U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?

    For all you Tea Party members of the North who hate big government, here is an interesting article from the "left wing" Globe and Mail. LOL. FYI Globe editors endorsed the Conservatives in the last election.

    U.S.: In state of denial over taxes?
    barrie mckenna
    OTTAWA— From Saturday's Globe and Mail
    Published Saturday, Jul. 30, 2011

    Tax has become a dirty word in the U.S. debt crisis debate.

    But almost unanimously, experts agree that raising taxes – perhaps significantly – is key to the country’s long-term salvation.

    Unlike Greece, which is broke, the United States is rich and has the fiscal capacity to tax its way out of its debt mess. Policy makers may be reluctant to do so while the economy is weak. But longer-term, there's room for tax rates to go up: Contrary to what most Americans believe, the United States is one of the least-taxed countries in the developed world. They pay much lower taxes than any other G7 country. Among wealthy OECD countries, only Chile and Mexico tax their people and companies less.

    Foreign investors are still willing to lend the country money at low rates, even as the debt ceiling deadline nears, because they feel confident they’ll be paid back. What they don’t see is the deep-seated opposition of many Americans to tax increases, even at the risk of jeopardizing the country’s economic well-being.

    “Historically and internationally, the U.S. can’t be categorized as anything other than a low-tax country,” remarked Gordon Betcherman, an economist and professor at the University of Ottawa’s school of international development and global studies.

    “Either Americans don’t realize their economy is taxed less than other major economies, or they just have a different standard of what an appropriate tax level is,” said Prof. Betcherman, who spent a decade at the World Bank in Washington.

    Most of the rest of the developed world – Canada included – has managed to bear higher tax burdens for decades, without grinding their economies into the ground. Economists say even an economically weakened U.S. could cope with a heavier tax load.

    The total tax burden on Americans, as a percentage of gross domestic product, stood at 24 per cent in 2009 – lower than it was in 1965 and still falling. That compares to 31.1 per cent in Canada, 34.3 per cent in Britain, 42 per cent in France, 37 per cent in Germany and 43.5 per cent in Italy. The Japanese, Australians and South Koreans all pay significantly more.

    The United States is the only major country without a national value-added tax and its sales taxes are lowest in the OECD. Likewise, U.S. fuel and sin taxes are at the bottom among rich countries. And generous tax breaks mean many businesses and individuals pay few taxes, placing a heavy burden on a relatively narrow tax base.

    “The U.S. has the fiscal capacity to raise taxes, unlike southern Europe, where they can’t afford to pay more,” remarked Ian Lee, a Carleton University business professor. And, he said, that explains why foreign investors are still willing to lend the country money at low rates, even as the debt ceiling deadline nears.

    The bottom line? There is now a huge disconnect between the government Americans say they want, and the government they’re willing to pay for, argued Gary Hufbauer, a senior fellow at Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington and a former top tax official at the Treasury department.

    “Our expectations in terms of entitlement and defence programs far exceeds the willingness of people to pay for them,” he said.

    For decades now, the U.S. has increased spending, but hasn’t ratcheted up taxes to pay for bigger government – the military, health care, pensions and the like. The country has been generating tax revenue equal to roughly 18 per cent of its economy for a generation, but spending has climbed steadily to nearly 25 per cent of GDP, from roughly 16 per cent in 1965. The results are huge deficits, and more than $14-trillion (U.S.) of debt.
    The solution is simple enough on the tax side, at least on paper, Mr. Hufbauer suggested. The country must expand the tax base on individuals and businesses, eliminate many tax breaks, introduce a national value-added tax, raise fuel taxes and impose “user fees” on a whole range of things, including parks, highways, airports, smoking and drinking.

    On the corporate side, Mr. Hufbauer pointed out that U.S. tax rates are high by international standards, but special corporate entities created by Congress dramatically shrinks the corporate tax base. While business taxes average 22 per cent of GDP in the OECD, the ratio is just 13 per cent in the U.S.

    The Republicans have put themselves in a box. Carefully crafted tax increases offer a relatively easy way out that could mitigate the economic damage caused by draconian spending cuts and reverse income inequality between rich and poor. But the tax option has become a political stumbling block in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives (as are deep spending cuts in the Democratic-held Senate).

    “It goes back about 20 years. The Republicans have signed on to this ‘no-taxes, ever’ pledge since Bush, the father, was president, and now this is being tested,” explained Chuck Marr, director of tax policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington and a former economic adviser to Bill Clinton and former Democratic Senate majority leader Tom Daschle.

    Bipartisan efforts to break the impasse, both inside and outside Congress, have reached the same conclusion – that higher taxes must be a major part of the solution, he pointed out. A commission headed by Democrat Alice Rivlin and Republican Pete Dominici, for example, came up with a plan that would shrink the debt through a balance of spending cuts and higher tax revenue. Among the highlights: a simpler tax system, a broader base, a phase-out of most tax breaks and a national 6.5-per-cent debt reduction sales tax.

    “Tax increases are the only way to ensure that high-income households pay a fair share of the deficit burden,” Mr. Marr said. “Without higher taxes as part of the fiscal-reform package, middle- and low-income households, which tend to feel spending cuts most acutely, will end up bearing almost all of the burden.”

    At the top of Mr. Marr’s tax break hit list is the $100-billion (U.S.)-a-year mortgage interest deduction, which allows Americans to dock interest payments on homes, yachts, lines of credit and vacation properties. Like Mr. Hufbauer, he would introduce a VAT, raise tobacco and cigarette taxes, tax greenhouse gases and scrap the $700-billion Bush-era tax breaks, which are heavily skewed to wealthier Americans.

    Bill Frenzel, a former Republican congressman and now a scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington, agrees no budget fix is possible without tax hikes. But there also must be a smaller government, including offsetting concessions on the big entitlements, such as Medicare and Social Security, he said.

    Americans, he said, will never accept the kind of tax levels that exist in most other countries.

    “The U.S. has always been a low-tax country,” he explained. “And we like it that way.”

    #2
    None of these countries have a tax revenue problem, we have a spending and waste problem.

    When 51% of their citizens pay no taxes at all there is no way to sustain the spending they have, let alone the increases they want.

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      #3
      The Americans are taking us to the brink of economic collapse Again this time due to the Idiocy of the tea party who believe that they can get out of this mess WITHOUT raising Taxes.

      This goes to prove again that when Stupid people are given power they can really f--- things up. Lets hope the tea party fringe in Our federal gov't is Smarter

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        #4

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          #5
          http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/

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            #6
            Chuckchuck and Mustardman,

            I have a problem with eating too much. I am obese.

            I can deny I have a problem... my body and feelings keep telling me I NEED to eat more food... to get more energy... to get more active.

            The more I eat... the more I increase in size... and the more I 'need' to eat yet even more food again.

            So... what is the solution?

            Consume less?

            CUT back?

            How is this any different... than what the US is doing?

            You folks are a part of the problem... common sense would tell me!

            But then as the CWB told me... I am just a stupid farmer that has never marketed any of our farms grain... as ONLY the CWB can 'market' grain!

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              #7
              the united states has put itself between a rock and a hard spot by living beyond its means and trying to maintain an empire it can't afford. if it cuts spending where will the growth come from? the private sector has been relying on the govt to encourage investment by buying goods and services. gravy train has been derailed. tough times ahead no matter what they do.

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                #8
                <i> “…trying to maintain an empire it can't afford.” </i>
                What kind of definition of empire are you using and how much is it costing compared to everything else they spend money on?

                <i> “if it cuts spending where will the growth come from?” </i>

                Leaving peoples money in their own pockets for them to <b>spend as they see fit </b>and allowing those same people to benefit from the fruits of their hard work and investment will spur the economy. Taxing away the incentive to create wealth will result and already has resulted in the destruction of wealth in the U.S. and every other country that has strayed down the path of redistributive socialism.
                Some countries are so far down that path, the wealth creators have all but given up. Why work hard only to have the fruits of your labour stolen and redistributed by opportunistic politicians, when you can live off the nanny state like everyone else? Now that countries like Greece have all but “eaten the rich”, they are in a world of trouble.

                Margaret Thatcher said it best: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend].

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                  #9
                  Yup, the US government does not have a tax problem, it has a spending problem.

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                    #10
                    But then again Obama is planning on paying it all off with Unicorn farts so I'm sure it'll all work out.

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                      #11
                      Try this fact on for size.

                      If the us raised corporate and private tax to 100% it
                      would still run a deficit.

                      The rock and hard spot are moving closer together and
                      the only way out is to KEEP inflating,gold has been
                      telling us this for 10 years.

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                        #12
                        The hard truth is that GW Bush and his administration wasted trillions of dollars on an un-needed wasteful and useless war in Iraq. If they had put their spending on a wartime basis with rationing and conservation of materials needed for war they would not be in debt as far as they are now. There is NO gain or payback in WAR...it is ALL an expense.

                        Someone has to pay for WAR. Fighting a WAR with borrowed money while maintaining a peace-time economy is to say the least STUPID. Since the US government has only taxes and fees for-service as income then THEY must go UP...THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

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                          #13
                          It's all Bush's fault? I don't think so...

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                            #14
                            farmranger then the usa must be great socialists because they have spent everybody else's money and now they are running out of willing lenders. their empire is maintained with military influence around the world which is called an invisible import and drains money out of the usa. if they cut spending that doesn't mean taxes will go down. they can't for the foreseeable future. america is just another financial screwup and now the time for pain has arrived. forty years of idiotic policy has taken its toll on a powerful nation.

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                              #15
                              sounds like a mess on both ends.
                              too much spending and too little taxes.

                              spend 16% of GDP on healthcare com pared to Canadians 10%. yet do not have universal benefits.
                              the cost of the wars , yet GE paid no taxes.(you would think GE and others
                              could pay considering what they make from the military)
                              trillions for the bank bailouts from the general public, yet the money made on the way up sits safe around the world. a transfer of wealth to the super rich
                              Kinda what Micheal Moore was talking about. the great robbery

                              the same thing that happened to Iceland and Ireland, the poster boys for unfettered capitalism.

                              the USA is next and they are trying to blame it on socialism. in a country where democrats are right of our conservatives.
                              we had slightly socialist govt.s in Sask. and balanced the books.

                              the USA is a case of big money calling the shots and it matters not what kind of mess they leave behind.
                              i guess the US has socialism , but its only for the rich

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