how to vote for a voluntary CWB

[checking]

If he was an average insider with no wish to be anything but an average insider like you wanting no opportunity to be anything but an average farmer with the CWB, then I suspect you have your answer.

[silverback]

Not once have I ever heard some of you guys admit that freedom of choice is a good thing.

The only thing that shines through time and again is envy.

The thought that someone else might be able to make just one penny more than you just drives you crazy. It doesn't matter if they are farmers, investors, or consultants, nobody deserves to be paid for their work more than you are given for yours.

(But you would gladly pay mr. oberg more for his work lately if you could)

[Fransisco]

Think about the premise of agstars question. That the only way someone else can make money is at his expense.

While it is sometimes the case that you get ripped off, that is certainly not the norm when it comes to business. Generally speaking, in an open economy, if two parties can't come to some kind of mutually beneficial arrangement the deal doesn't happen.

The premise in agstars question is rooted in the fallacy of the zero sum game. The notion that wealth is a fixed number, that there is no possible way that it can be created or grow. That all you can do is rearrange the pieces. If that were true we'd all still be living in caves.

[TOM4CWB]

Fransisco,

The proof of Prosperity in the increase of productivity...is in the examples of: Canola, Corn, Soybeans...

Growing demand... growing supplies... higher prices paid for even larger volumes... builds even more demand if the promise of supply increasing looks likely. Demand led consumption... brings Higher Prices...'more makes more'

This is the opposite of the CWB Directors Flaman 8 etc. whos' view of economic theory... is that 'less makes more'. This is socialism... that to be wealthy...that 'sharing' (ie. the forced taking of someone elses wealth is required.

[jdepape]

If by "insider" you mean I am an executive within
a company I guess I am - I own the company.

Do I stand to make more in a market without the
single desk?  That depends solely on me.  And I
like it that way; I believe there will be greater
opportunities for anyone who can create value in
the new environment.

I believe the removal of the single desk will do
two fundamental things.  One, it will open the
market to more competition which will minimize
waste and unnecessary costs, increasing wealth
creation potential for all involved.  And two, it will
enable entrepreneurs to build businesses that
create wealth for more than themselves.  
Businesses that will hire people and use the
services of other local businesses.

(We'll see more companies like Pizzey's Milling.  
They started their flax milling business on the
family farm near Angusville MB and when they
sold it, they were employing 50 local people.)

Farmers will be able to make marketing and
sales decisions that make sense for themselves
and for their benefit (one size does not fit all in
grain marketing).  Those that are uncomfortable
with marketing will be able to hire someone to do
it or help them - and they will have a number of
companies to choose from. (and I'll bet that
hiring a marketing partner will cost less than the
CWB does - and there's a better than even
chance that they'll do a more effective job for
each individual farm.)

The best thing about the removal of the single
desk is that those of us that want to build
something will no longer be dragged down by the
view that nobody should get more than anyone
else.  This drive to equality is really a drive to
mediocrity (or worse).

Agstar - I don't know you but from your posts 
here it appears you belong to a group I call The
Brotherhood of the Shrinking Pie; by clinging onto
this idea of "one-for-all" you are actually reducing
the industry's ability to create wealth in Western
Canada.  But not to worry - even if you don't see
opportunity in this change, you too will gain.

[agstar77]

I sincerely hope you are right , because we will only get one chance. I am sure wheat acreage will explode, just as it has in the U.S. There will be processors in every small dying town in Sask.

[Fransisco]

Post monopoly ontario, wheat acres go up.

Post monopoly australia, wheat acres go up.

Post monopoly western canada, wheat acres couldn't possibly go up. Its a whole different world here. The sky is green, the grass is blue, and none of the basic laws of economics apply.

[jdepape]

Ah yes - sarcasm. The lowest form of wit.

FWIW - most observers have already forecast an
increase in wheat acres for next year. The pulse
industry is concerned about the potential loss of
acres and a senior exec in the canola crushing
industry has told me that he sees crush margins
under pressure as the price of canola will need to
buy acres. In other words, it's all good.

[wd9]

But that is all the agstars ever bring to the table. Sarcasm, economic socialism, and no new ideas. No recognition of property rights or freedoms as in all the other grains where the industry thrives and grows more profitable for everyone.

[Jfreedom]

Remember when Vader and Agstar used to patrol the posts and spit out their Liberal babble like it was the gospel. The arrogance that they showed the rest of us was over the top. I came across this little beauty today to remind you guys how they used to act and talk. Thank god we only have 11 more months of social engineering and Liberal economic suppression before we truly live in a free country.


Vader posted Jan 26, 2008 12:20
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talked to a farmer yesterday whose durum went 70 bushels per acre. On 2000 acres the gross revenue is $1,750,000.00.

I have heard similar stories around Kindersley and Swift Current of durum that went 50 bushels per acre. Now that is only $650,000 for a thousand acres but in that case the lentils and canola took him well into the millions as well.

I hear all the time here on angryville the time people like Saskfarmer bitching about the CWB because he can't get $17.00 for his durum and he blames this on the CWB.

In the case of a few rich farmers who can sit on all of their grain while the raging masses sell out early perhaps Saskfarmer has a legitimate argument. Perhaps we did cost him $5.00 per bushel on his durum. Perhaps it ran 50 bushels per acre and perhaps he had a thousand acres. And perhaps he could have earned an additional quarter of a million dollars.

I could argue that this is a zero sum game and that on the flip side there is another farmer that could have had the same 50 bushel crop on the same acreage base of 1000 acres and he could have sold his durum for $7.00 per bushel and for that farmer we made him an extra quarter million dollars. I could argue that for the health of the community it is better that the second farmer is able to pay down his debt and remain a constructive player in the industry and the community while poor Saskfarmer was prevented from expanding his farm by another section. The section that farmer number two may have sold after making his decision to sell his durum at 7.00.

But it is not a zero sum game. In fact we know that the CWB is asking $22.00 per bushel for durum today when the US elevator price reported here on Agri-vill is only $17.00. Now those elevators will sell your durum for $22.00 if they can get their hands on it.

So we see that for starters the CWB is keeping about $5.00 per bushel out of the handling companies pockets and putting it in farmers pockets right now.

Further we know that the average weighted selling price of durum in the US according to the North Dakota Wheat commission is about $10.00. This is further proof of the value of the CWB. The CWB has added to the bottom line of Canadian farmers on a 3 million tonne program an extra $73.00 per tonne or $220,000.00.

So yes the downside is that we kept Saskfarmer from buying another section of land where he might next year make enough extra money to buy out another suffering neighbor who had to sell a section to Saskfarmer.

The upside is that the Ag industry in Canada made an extra almost quarter of a BILLION DOLLARS.

And that is just on Durum.

Wait till you see my analysis on Spring Wheat and Malt Barley.

Rod Flaman
CWB Director - District 8
306-771-2823
rodflaman@imagewireless.ca

Oh and by the way. The CWB Rocks.
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I would tell you how I really feel about you Agstar but theres women on here.