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    #31
    Tom

    Was going to do a detailed explanation of the concepts Gord talked about would be a waste of my time - no cares. CWB debate is poliitical one and not a business one.

    Gord did a good job although the examples were extremely skewed to make their point. 2007/08 was an interesting year for a whole bunch of different reasons starting with the market and the CWB risk management program they executed that year. Had they picked 2008/09 or 2009/10, the conclusions draw on durum would have been different.

    On the price differentiation chart, the example is correct in that the CWB could make sales at prices indicated - was an example but the process occurs on daily to weekly basis. The CWB can do this because they have access to all wheat supplies without the discipline of having to attract wheat up the driveway/a price signal. In an open market, the CWB could not make sales at the lower of prices - they couldn't drag wheat up the driveway based on the price that would available at the elevator. They also don't have to arbitrage with other markets. Would some of the erosion of prices at the top end of the return to pool table (likely to occur) make up for the not making sales at the low priced end - good question.

    The pricing pace model approved by the CWB board of directors and acted on by the CWB operations is also something not talked about but also having a impact on the level/timing of prices. I have to admit this is an interesting area that I don't fully understand. It is a performance measure in the annual report. It only applies to wheat excluding durum. Durum wheat and malt barley does not have this process. Actually didn't know this about durum. In the cases of malt barley and durum, actual returns are determined by the timing and level of actual cash sales. Timing good - farmers benefit. Timing bad - farmers endure the pain.

    Waste of time - a political issue and not a business one.

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      #32
      Another frustration was the reference to the $500 mln per year benefit but no documentation. Was questioned at the Falher meeting last night but danced around. Were numbers posted in the response the task force in 2006 - people can do their homework to find. Will note the benefits are internally generated and have not been verified except selected economists provided access to internal CWB data. Does not look the costs of single desk or the impact on supply chain logistics/efficiencies. A regulated system is not free with hidden costs including cost of carry.

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        #33
        Chuckchuck, because its a good deal for the ones involved and they want it. This is not true with the CWB, no demonstratable advantage can be shown.

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          #34
          Re supply management...it can only work with a closed domestic market (no imports and accordingly very limited opportunity for exports). Beyond that you need compliant masses that are willing to have their right to participate in certain industries revoked by legislation (and force of arms if necessary). We're not going there with grain. HT

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            #35
            jdepape I am Not telling anyone how to Sell their wheat. We have the cwb in place LIVE with it.
            We also have the open market in Place for my bean,peas,lentils and mustard and I am not crazy about it BUT I LIVE With IT.

            News Flash There are more important Farm issues than the cwb. Unfortunately this narrow minded government can See Nothing Else

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              #36
              hiwayman the open market crops perform like the market dictates. 2/3 are sold at the bottom 1/3 of the market which is on par

              Sell your peas off the combine for 8.50 or if you've got enough space keep till jan and it will be 10.50

              My durum nets out better than my other crop except my large green lentils.
              The lentils are one crop due to demand right now that makes selling immediately tempting

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                #37
                Sorry mus, but I'm through living with a wheat board that puts farmers who sell their own wheat in jail and gets us sub par returns year after year.

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                  #38
                  Still evading the actual question mustard.

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                    #39
                    wd9 Not evading I'm actually harvesting, anyways Southpaw you can haul your grain to whomever you want to and sell it however you want with the multitude of ways thru the cwb

                    Southpaw I'm assuming you won't support me in changing the open market on lentils to a single desk. So you are ineffect telling me how to market my lentils thru the open market.

                    Where I can pick a price that is offered from company A,b or c. They then inflate the price and resell to someone else and Keep the profits

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                      #40
                      Re: We have the cwb in place LIVE with it.

                      Not that long ago i'm sure others said... We have slavery in place, live with it.

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                        #41
                        I can't grow lentils, or 6 different crops for that matter, so a question.
                        Must.man are you saying that there is no system of price discovery or arbitrage for lentils?
                        Or are you saying that industrial innovation driven by profit is bad?

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                          #42
                          Mustard, your logic is astounding when you believe that the rest of us are forcing you into the freedom to choose who you sell your grain to. Once again, I do not covet your grain for profitability on my farm so I only want the same respect. We do not sell our grain into the bottom third of the market and have invested heavily in to farm storage so we don't have to. We sell when it makes sense for our farm. You have the same choice. You could easily match the CWBs pricing pace with your own sales and achieve that less than average price you seem to desire. If lentils are the only crop that nets you better returns than durum, perhaps you should hire the services of a marketing consultant that would improve that side of your revenues. Board grains have been consistently the poorest net returns on our farm which is why we desire the freedom to choose who we sell to on all crops.

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