Easy boys, here it is

[johnsmith]

Democracy comes with rules or code of conduct, pick your weapon. If I supersede democracy so can everyone else, then we have anarchy,no thanks. Just because politics moves at a snails pace and Ritz does not seem to have the political balls to linch Oberg(THE RAT) for chowing a hole in the bottom of the boat, does not mean that Jeff should cross the line of the code of conduct, that makes him and the rest of us on Jeff's side just like THE RAT Oberg, whats the difference, they both crossed the line. He should of handed his resignation in standing in front of 423 Main and then had a press conference about why, no lines crossed. UP and up, no foul, clear, etc.

[ProFarmer]

Johnsmith go f... youself jeff is a person telling the truth and he should be commended for it. Not trying to muzzell him by the 8 NDP sucks on the board...

[bucket]

In talking to Jeff at different times about this whole plebiscite thing, I can hear his frustration. I think he has got to the point that someone has to add balance to the debate.

I do believe if jeff was asked by the board to resign he would do the honorable thing.

Ask Oberg to do the same thing on the count of failing farmers and he would fight tooth and nail to have the chairman role forever. His boss has told him to change the way the cwb does business but Oberg actually believes he is above the government.

[TOM4CWB]

johnsmith,

Name one place in the CWB's code of conduct and conflict of interest guidlines that Jeff breached. NONE. In fact being honest and exposing the others for what they are doing is an obligation of a director... the least he can do. There is no long term future for the CWB Corp., unless Chairman Oberg accomodates a smooth transition... which Jeff is accomodating by saving some of the 'good will' the CWB now has.

You are wrong johnsmith. Jeff did the right thing by speaking out and fairly representing his District 2 growers.

[parsley]

Democracy and rules of conduct. Uh huh.

How about conduct in residential schools? 1. You're an observing visiting priest. Tell or protect the church? 2. You're the bishop. Clean house or batten the hatches?

You're clerking in the municipal office and the administrator's gambling problem has gone south into cooking the books. Tell councillors or shut up?

You're teaching at a University. You discover the immigrated to Canada dean's credentials are a hoax. No one will believe you. Go public or shut up?

You go out to lunch with a fellow MP and discover him shoplifting, only to discover he does it frequently. Blab or shut up?

We know what the right thing is, don't we?

The point I'm making is.... at what point does one decide to NOT do the right thing, if you are working in other people's/farmers/etc interest?

Each one above, made the argument it was not in the best interest of the institution to divulge.

Panty-asses are too scared to speak what is. How about farmers? Pars

[charliep]

Not clear on what you are saying either. Are you suggesting all 10 farmer elected board of directors should quit?

[URL="http://www.cwb.ca/public/en/about/people/board/#code"]b of d code of ethics[/URL]

I note there are references to other policies and bylaws which are not published/readily available.

[charliep]

Perhaps you are suggesting the best way to make a statement about the current board of director policy is to resign.

Will note that whatever happens, the CWB will need strong leadership and strategic thinking. If an organization doesn't know where it is going, it likely never get there.

[cottonpicken]

In a democracy more than 50% of people would vote
that t he government give everybody 1 million dollars
a year.

In a republic,laws are in place to protect people from
themselves.

"a republic,if you can keep it"
-Ben Franklin

[johnsmith]

Come on parsley did you bump your head, those were horrible crimes, they had no choice, no vote, this issue is just dirty old politics, no comparison.
The problem with what Jeff did was he joined the circus, now he is just another guy talking it up. We have been through all this in the mid 90's with all the court cases, we were taught back then, we have no property rights, that the gov't of the day has the power and they granted that power to the CWB. Jeff good job for standing up, I just think resigning and then standing up on 423main steps would have been a better choice, a much more powefull statement.
To be continued, I'm sure

[silverback]

I believe the pro - freedom of choice directors should stand up strong and say how stupid the chair and other directors are being for choosing this path to destruction.

Nobody would listen to them if they quit. I want to know what is happening in that board room that is bringing this madness.

[parsley]

Dirty crimes examples make it much more clear when to distinguish right from wrong, don't they.

In some of the examples, silence reigned, while in others, smart people spoke up. All true cases.

Silence OR Openess is a decision, whether it be throwing a free Grey Cup party at the CWB, or whether it was the Quebec Senator on a spending spree. No senator squealed until media did some math. But they should have.

Some of the decisions made at the CWB have been fiascos that farmers pay for. Over and over. And they will be archived.

The CWB clearly put in policy to stymie transparency and accountability when Chatenay was elected. You remember the Code of Conduct was established right then, to shut him up, imho, b/c he was hard to shut up.

Farmers' pooling accounts got debited whether bad or good decisions were made, and no one spoke up except Jim Chatenay.

But consequences don't disappear. Farmers pay and pay. As Oberg goes on his media rodentshow, your pooling accounts dwindle.

Speaking up is the right thing for Jeff to do. And it is incumbant upon every farmer to demand, from their directors, what is happening to their $$. "Who pays for the bloody roadshow? Why? How much budgeted? Who's decision?"

Oberg et al. got slapped with a court decision to not promote themselves. Is it being followed? Why are the directors silent? That is wrong. That is not protecting the corporation; that is collusion, according to this stupid blonde.

Wrong is wrong, no matter the degree. Wrong shouldn't get promted to right b/c it appears as a benign wrong. "What the hell, your honor,six months?, I didn't kill my husband, I only shot him in the kneecap"

Farmers need to get your head out of your righteousness, and face Wrong in the eye.

Wrong has free reign in your pooling accounts. Pars

[wmoebis]

I don't think pro choise directors should quit either. However they should say how they think the CWB should run in an open market system. Jeff said nothing other than pro boys are wrong. I think we all new his feelings before he said anything.

Pro choise guys: Tell us how you would like to see it operate! That would be something new. I would like to hear your side.

In fact, grain co's, processors, brokers, rail roads, et'al. Tell us how you will operate in an open market system too.

[johnsmith]

What you guys are talking about is old hack. What Jeff talked about is old hack, he needed to take the next step in this game. If Jeff needed to get his message out (and not resign) he should of started requesting private meetings with Ritz the real Boss of this circus, what he has done is neutralized himself at the board table, -remember democray-, just another guy talking it up. Oberg and THE RATS will chew him up at the table for the next two months.

[Burbert]

We are going to take advantage of Comedian
farmers! Quote from grain companies,
railroads, brokers and other interested
parties. That said, who really gives a
f@#k? The whole thing is based in
bullskat anyway!

[wilagro]

The grain companies, railroads, governments and the chemical companies will rip the farmer off the same as ever. Without the CWB there will be quite a bit of uncertainty as they were an information source as well as a marketer Farmers will have to be more informed through computer-based information sources for up-to-date info. Reading the monthly farm magazines wont do in this new faster age that we live in.