Question for Tom

[riders2010]

Thanks for what Tom? a screw over? I know you out righters are just cringing at the idea of the 30 payout, if you had it your way there wouldn't be any would there? But you also know that who ever would make that decision would be nutless in less than 10 seconds don't you! The population isn't as far right as our government would like. So that is why the big screw job isn't it. You guys buying off the media because not a word was said about how many acres are not eligible this year that would have been last year?

Since the changes to the new improved program disallow so many acres to be eligible this year, when the estimate for total acres unseeded is given and then multiplied by the 30and 70, that number is totally overstated. As I mentioned on a 3000 acre farm there is 15,000 on top of the other deductions that is not paid out, figure out how many farms there are with flooded out acres and that number becomes huge. So the question is where is all the money going to, that isn't actually going to this program but is approved to be so? Maybe that's how the buddies of the right are buying all the land up? could it be?

[TOM4CWB]

Riders2010;
"I know you out righters are just cringing at the idea of the 30 payout...", WOW. Liberal Entitlement thinking...

So...in the time of hard situations for billions of other folks....

I and Minister Ritz get blamed for providing Ad Hoc help?

I PERSONALLY was happy (on Aug. 5th check the record on Agriville)for the flooded out CDN prairie folks that got the $30./ac (less 5 percent or if you are happier $28.50 in SK).

Where did you get this from???


"Maybe that's how the buddies of the right are buying all the land up? could it be?"

WHAT!!!

I approved of the Grain Growers of Canada position and news release (See Background)...;

Your lack of compassion and sensitivity for those on this planet with much MUCH less than you have... is annoying.

Send a letter to your own MP. He should have Much closer input to Minister Ritz than I have.
Your choice was MP Ralphie? OH. Dear me.

Have a nice day.

Background:

For Immediate Release:
http://www.ggc-pgc.ca/


Grain Growers pleased with improved compensation for flooded farmland


(Friday, Aug 5, 2011) – The Grain Growers of Canada are pleased to see the cooperation and support of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and the Federal Government in working together to put in place an Agri-Recovery package worth nearly half a billion dollars.

“Last year, all farmers in Manitoba were negatively affected by an acreage deductible applied to the financial assistance,” said Hank Enns, Altona area farmer and Director of the Grain Growers of Canada. “We met with the Manitoba Government earlier this year and are pleased that they and the Feds listened and have significantly improved the coverage this year by removing the deductible.”

“$30 dollars an acre really helps to pay bills and get the land back in shape for next year,” said Enns.

Ministers Bob Bjornerud (SK), Jack Hayden (AB), Stan Struthers (MB) and Hon. Gerry Ritz announced a $448 million package for flooded farm and grazing lands yesterday.

“Although I was fortunate this year, last summer over half my land was flooded out and the money helped pay the land taxes and to chem fallow so it was ready for a crop this year,” said Richard Phillips Executive Director of the Grain Growers and owner of a farm at Tisdale, Saskatchewan. “Farmers will put the money to good use, I know I did.”

“Producers across the Prairies are happy to see Governments respond in times of disastrous conditions beyond our control and especially when it is in a timely manner like this,” said Phillips.

The Grain Growers of Canada represent 80,000 successful grain, oilseed and pulse farmers across Canada.
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For more information:

Hank Enns, Director 204-324-7413

Richard Phillips, Executive Director 613-875-1795

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

If you rely on government handouts then the hutterites
will be farming your land sooner than you think.

[riders2010]

the grain growers represent us? Did they just self appoint themselves, because no one here gives a rats ass about what they say except reporters that still think the changes from last year to this are good for farmers, because they (grain growers) didn't bother to check that the 5% is gonna actually eliminate many farmers from qualifying from any money at all, wow what an improvement!

As far as liberal entitlement thinking why don't you get your buddy gerry to cancel the 30 bucks tommorrow, and you'll find out how many think that way real quick, as i said i'd bet in 10 seconds or less there'd be nutless (in the physical sense only) people that made that decision.

Yes the true reform belief is just popping out more and more, keep posting don't you dare quit Tom. Must be a run on sedatives for all those reformers just dieing to take over the party hey! don't think I don't know about the growing infighting going on! Ah yes the bubble will burst maybe quicker than I expected.

Oh by the way is it ad hoc or as ritz says policy framework because the two are contradictory statements. Thanks for confirming what we all know this was just made up for votes there is no real agriculture framework plan at all. And I hear that the new policy framework is all about the processors etc and nothing about farmers is it true in fact agriinstabiliy is toast?

[TOM4CWB]

riders2010,

Sorry you had a ruff year...

Hope you can figure out how to make it through...

I hope you are less grumpy with your family than you are with me.

Perhaps your MP can help you out and cheer you up!

All the best!

[riders2010]

Oh I forgot Tom you see the 5% off of 30 dollars is not simpley 28.50 as you stated, surely you must simply not understand the program and not be trying to decieve anyone. Because the 5% is 5% off of your gross total acres. so like I said if you farm 3000 acres you loose 5% coverage of the 3000 acres, which is 150 acres. We are now loosing 30 dollars and 70 dollars x the 150 acres which is 15,000 and that is on top of the regular seeding intensity etc that we are loosing already. So for example someone has 2 quarters not able to seed they only get compensated for the one quarter whereas last year both quarters were compensated for.

Now if you apply these numbers to the big picture to get a rough estimate and suggest that the average farm is how many acres 2500, 3000 and divide that into the total acres not seeded you will find that there are a shitload of acres not paid for under either the 70 or 30 payments, yet when our ag department releases their statement they say they are paying out the 70 and 30 on all the acres. But the reality is that the actual amount is substantially lower, so where is that money that is earmarked for flood acres yet not get there gone to?

[TOM4CWB]

Riders;

You know I do NOT farm or live in SK.

Give it a rest ALREADY. Per Eligible Acre is printed clearly on the Web.

YOU Go bug your own MLA.

"„h A 5% deductible will be applied to affected wet acres." is in the original Backgrounder I see.


"Excess Moisture Assistance

One of those advantages is our agriculture industry ¡V the backbone of our economy. Our government, along with the federal government, recently announced $250 million in funding for Saskatchewan farmers and ranchers affected by excess moisture this year. This funding includes the Excess Moisture Program (EMP), which will once again provide producers with $30 per eligible acre for crop land that could not be seeded as of June 20, 2011, and crop land that was seeded and subsequently flooded out on or before July 31, 2011. Forages seeded in 2010 or 2011 that failed to establish due to excess moisture are also eligible under the EMP. For producers enrolled in Crop Insurance, this $30 per eligible acre is in addition to the $70 per eligible acre coverage for land too wet to seed under Crop Insurance¡¦s Unseeded Acreage Benefit. "
http://www.gregottenbreit.ca/

BACKGROUNDER
The Governments of Canada and Saskatchewan are providing more than $250 million in funding to
Saskatchewan farmers and ranchers affected by excess moisture.
2011 Excess Moisture Program
„h The Excess Moisture Program (EMP) will provide all Saskatchewan producers with support of $30 per
eligible acre for crop land that could not be seeded as of June 20, 2011, and crop land that was seeded
but then flooded out on or before July 31, 2011.
„h Forages seeded in 2010 or 2011 that failed to establish due to excess moisture are also eligible.
„h For producers enrolled in Crop Insurance, this $30 per eligible acre is in addition to the $70 per
eligible acre coverage for land too wet to seed under Crop Insurance¡¦s Unseeded Acreage Benefit.
„h Crop Insurance customers will not have to apply for the EMP unless established crop was flooded out
between June 20 and July 31, 2011. Producers not enrolled in Crop Insurance will need to fill out an
EMP application form.
„h There are an estimated 8 million acres of unseeded or seeded and subsequently flooded out land in
Saskatchewan.
„h A 5% deductible will be applied to affected wet acres.
„h The deadline to apply for the 2011 EMP is September 30, 2011.
„h For more information or to apply, producers can contact their local Crop Insurance office, call 1-888-
935-0000 or visit www.saskcropinsurance.com. Applications are also available at RM offices.
http://www.gov.sk.ca/adx/aspx/adxGetMedia.aspx?mediaId=1511&PN=Shared

[riders2010]

Actually not gonna give it up Tom, and if you are just gonna post the crap they put out on the internet don't have to respond. I only asked you because you say how close you know Gerry and how tirelessly he works for farm families. Well here is the reality if he knows what has transpired he actually has screwed farmers who are in desperate need of funds out of money, at the same time some would say decieving the media into producing that all the changes are positive and more money when in reality there is less money and more restrictions.

Take the 8 million acres times 30 bucks or 250 million, not even gonna be close to that once you take out all the new regulations that count you out of the 30 bucks. For example last year if you seeded a covercrop to dry the land out any day after the last acceptable day to seed canola or wheat you were covered for 70 and 30 bucks now if you seeded up to the 20th of june not covered for 70 or 30 but if seeded on the 21st of june covered, What is the difference of one day from 20th june to 21st of june, nothing except a created bullshit loop to exclude people from funds. Now add on the 5% screwing and that 250 million is no where near.

This screw job hurts all farm families but particularly the young farmers experiencing a second year of not seeding. and I suppose the canada grains people and apas and all the other farm reps will be saying in a few weeks wonder how we can encourage you people to stay on the farm. Well here we have all the works in place the numbers, the computer, the paper and all you have to do is print the checks minus the 5 % and all the other bull, and it would go a long long way for many farmers.

As far as talking to our mla or mp, bin there done that we all have in our area, they say we are right when we sit in front of them but if lucky get a letter back saying they contacted Gerry and Gerry says everything is okey.

[silverback]

Do you have people in Sk who drive around and know exactly what day your seed went in the ground? They must be really on top of things if they know if you were one day beyond the deadline.

[riders2010]

You know Silver things here in Sask. are alot different than manitoba, the answer is yes they do, a couple years ago a neighbor told me of a situation crap insurance wanted to charge a farmer with fraud because he listed his i forget barley or whatever as seeded 20 june but they say they saw the seeder on there 23 of june. Turned out it rained and he was merely cleaning the tank out before moving home. They took statements from the hired hand etc. real circus.

These guys here not all but some have the power of their little positions gone way too far to their heads. But as i said what really is the difference especially given such a wide disaster area 2 years in a row. Would think during these years a bit of leniency would apply.

You guys had frost damage there? or not your area.