Just thinking about Winnipeg...

[bucket]

CHUCKCHUCK

Most of the cwb's work is done by the multinationals already. And they get paid very well to do it. Its called the accreditted exporter program.

And if you believe and trust the current cwb directors why has all these wind up costs and contract commitment costs come up now. They have made no mention of the contracts they have made at any other time.

And look at the costs associated with them. WHO do you think were paying the costs if this hadn't come to a head now???

Think man.

[lakenheath]

ChuckChuck (Rod Flaman)

You said, "You are entitled to your perspective, but it is clearly not shared by the majority of producers who have elected the majority of Directors who favour the single desk"

What a complete crock of $%&T! On my 5,000 acre farm 1 vote went anti-wheat board and 4 votes went pro-wheat board. I am a 33 year old farmer. I produce all the grain, make all the decisions and take all the risk. My 75 year landlord, my 85 year old landlords, and others i rent land from are flush with money and in 100% retirement mode. They are not farmers nor claim to be farmers yet they were mailed ballots becuase they are on my permit book.

So don't feed me this line of BS that farmer have elected the current directors.

I have heard of single producers getting up to 6 votes etc. The CWB election system is flawed and it is a complete joke. Yet you and likes of Oberg cling to the results of these bastardized elections.

[parsley]

chuckchuck:

It's not about comparing size, or cash, or bushels. or how loaded your halfton is.

I could care less.

It's about me taking my pail of barley and being able to do as I please with it. Market it for less money than you are able to get, and enjoy the cheque more than you do.

I don't care what you sell your grain for.

I don't care how clever the CWB marketing whiz played the game in Minneapolis that piddled away your Board millions.

I just don't want a joint marketing marriage with you. A joint pooling account. A joint Earthy Farm. Or share a joint with you.

I want to own my property that I grow. Sell it. Spend the money. And not even have a conversation with you, let alone have some half-wit deduct from my cheque.

Not a difficult concept if you read it twice. Pars

[Braveheart]

Amen Parsley. Any talk about performance of the CWB vs open market is just smoke. If a hundred people grew wheat 99 of them don't have the right to tell the last one what he or she has to do with their wheat.

Back to the original post, I've heard that some board employees are already moving on. JRI has reportedly hired some people from 423 Main and other companies are raiding as well.

By the way Pars, I don't smoke, but if you bake some of those special borwnies I'd sure share some with you.

[TOM4CWB]

ChuckChuck,

In 2000 Monsanto lost the Patent protection on Glyphosate. They had a MONOPOLY till then.

Instead of Monsanto packing it in and saying it was impossible to operate in a the 'dual market'... Monsanto powered through the competition and today are stronger than they were in 2000. Roundup at $5/litre or $3.

Sure you can buy at $2.50 with no warranty or service.

Chairman Oberg and your buddies have done nothing but waste 'good will' and reck customer loyalty on both buyer and seller ends. PLUS open the CWB to trade action by claiming the CWB dumped 1mmt of high quality/px DNS quality into the US at an $80/t discount!

So... what was the Canadian price our millers paid... one must assume on the same scale as US millers got the wheat.

Where was this in VP Gord Flaten's magical mystery tour of the CWB 'single buying desk'?

Starts at 56 seconds in... CWB VP of Sales Flaten:

[chuckChuck]

So to all the posts who claim freedom is the issue, why did you likely vote for a government that supports supply managed marketing boards for dairy and poultry products? Where is the freedom in import tarifs restricting competition, cost of production calculations , quota, fixed prices?

By many measures Canada is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and farmers here are some of the best paid and successful. So constantly whineing that you have to work within the CWB with other farmers in a single desk marketing program with numerous cash pricing options is a little rich.

[parsley]

Many, many farmers have fought against supply management with candidates, and political parties, and governments.

Jack would have supply-managed your visits to his spa to enjoy a ground wheat body wrap. The NDP would supply manage farms if they had enough support.

Some political parties want to plan your entire life for you. Cradle to grave. They will do it if we allow them, because their benefits are, yes, pension plans and perks and salaries.

All of them get greedy fat.

The problem is, Ontario and Quebec have a grip on votes cast. Eastern farmers also supply Eastern cities. You don't imagine they want chuckchuck's cream hitting the aisles in Toronto, do you?

So they vote to keep their little fiefdom. The Conservatives have maintained their milkmanaging, but not without a battle from within.

And it will continue.

[chuckChuck]

Hey Tom,Thanks for supporting the arguments in favour of a single desk by giving us the Monsanto example.

So Roundup was over $20 per litre when it first came out and now you can buy glyphosphate for $2.50 after Monsanto lost its patent monopoly. Tom,you seemed to have missed the obvious point of this example.

Tom what happened to the price of Roundup/glyphosphate when Monsanto lost its' patent monopoly and had to compete with multiple sellers? The price dropped Tom!! It is now a mere fraction of the original price.

Weren't you trying to argue that prices would be higher with multiple sellers in an open market?

So how low do you think farmers will have to price their grain in an open market to be successful like Monsanto Tom?

You and many others are so damn obsessed with attacking the CWB your ability to present coherent rational arguments is limited by your obsession.

When in doubt resort to the freedom argument like parsley does all the time.

[chuckChuck]

Parsley,
Who in the Conservative party caucus is openly criticizing supply management? If your policy is freedom for farmers then compulsory marketing boards such as supply management should be gone. It is such a joke to hear Ritz talk about bringing freedom to farmers by ending the CWB monopoly while his support for supply management continues.

So when did greed become the domain of only of public sector? Have you not heard the news yet about the investment bankers on Wall Street who were bailed out by their government only to continue paying themselves fat bonuses.

Why are you not concerned about the greed that goes on in the private sector Parsley? Is it because they earned their bonuses through hard work and because they are smarter than the rest of us?

You seem to blindly put your faith only in the market economy. Why are/were Canadian banks in better financial shape than US banks coming through the last recession? Primarily because Canadians have better banking regulations than the US.

It must be true because Harpo said so.

[Braveheart]

Supply management can't be compared to the CWB. The differences are so blaringly obvious they don't need discussion.

The one point though that always gets me is how supply management is viewed. Often, free enterprisers despise it and usually socialists like it. But here's the thing. Supply management is the most capitalist form of business in the country.

What does every capitalist want? To corner the market. Supply management does that. It restricts the competition with closed borders or high tariff rate quotas. Guarantees profit (good management still required).

Freedom? Why yes. Anyone can buy quota if the can swing the finacing.

For people with the mindset of Chuckchuck supply management should be appalling. Only the rich need apply.

With the wheat board, it's only a single buying desk. Wheat or barley can enter the country anytime. Tariff rate quotas don't come into effect until very high tonnages are reached. Anyone can grow any amount or acreage they wish.

Find a new argument Chuckchuck.