The Conservative Party’s Fair-Weather Democrats

[FarmRanger]

<i>"Because I believe the majority of farmers
want to be fairly consulted."</i>

Agreed, this wasn't done when the mandatory
CWB was instituted. Thankfully, the Harper
Conservatives are the government with the
integrity to finally fix this past transgression.

[Fransisco]

chuckchuck, this is Canada and we respect minority rights in this country. You aren't in the majority and you know it, but it doesn't matter if you were because you can't just steal someone else's property with a simple vote of like minded loons. This is not North Korea.

[TOM4CWB]

c.c.

"Because I believe the majority of farmers want to be fairly consulted."

We were. The CWB survey was much more accurate than this sham plebicite.

You do not have the moral integrety to admit the CWB was wrong to waste a million dollars..SO FAR... and depreciate the good will the CWB has remaining more each day.

Very good discussion!!! I still say I am surprised at the wide margin the market choice side won by: 39000 to 29000!

Too bad Chuck... you rolled the dice and lost again!!!

[FarmRanger]

..and the CWB plebiscite purposely excluded a
certain proportion of farmers they knew wouldn't
vote their way, and sent multiple ballots to others.

Never mind that nobody should have a vote on
trampling someone else's property rights.

[mbratrud]

Chuckchuck the Majority of Farmers have been fairly consulted. Look at the vote breakdown on the Prairies from the spring election, including the rural vote, which voted for a platform that ends the CWB Monopoly.

ChuckChuck I have lived with Ag Policy I didn't agree with for a long time, for precisely the reasons you pointed out.

I was supportive of the CWB operating in some form in the future. There are many good people that work at the Board and unfortunately the current Board of Directors is pissing away any chance of life for the CWB after the single desk.

I know of CWB staff that are already looking for work and they are good people and will find good jobs, I feel for them because they had a chance to be part of something new and exciting but instead they are working for and organization that has a Board that only knows how to look in the rearview mirror.

It is so over but you guys will be kicking and screaming in denial until after the For Sale sign goes on 423 Main Street.

Chuckchuck I know you are passionate about your position and you have every right to be.

Independence day is coming Aug 1 2012.

[Braveheart]

Once again, this is about business. You can't hold some phoney vote and think you have the right to force my property into the hands of someone I want nothing to do with!

Also, I predict that if this is not resolved there will be civil disobedience on a level not seen before. I know farmers that are usually easy going rational people that are saying they're going to the border with truckloads if the issue doesn't move forward.

So stuff that in your fair weather pipe!

[blackpowder]

Good points mbratrud.
I too for 30 years have had my head patted benignly everytime I asked a simple 'why' or 'what if' question.

[begood]

chuck You think "this is over End of story" I think not. Just for starters; part of the legislation might well be to immediately clean out the boardroom.

[chuckChuck]

So why do none of you want to address my central question as I posted above?

"So next time you end up with a government you don't support, will the federal election be the only vote that counts when it comes to ag. policy?"

[mbratrud]

Chuckchuck

I sort of answered your question but I will be more clear. If they clearly win a mandate in my region running on a platform with ag policy for that region yes. Unlike the Libs that shot the crow in 94.

If you look at the Majority of support for the Federal Conservatives and where it came from I think it is quite obvious they were given a mandate from Rural Western Canada to provide Market Choice.

Why doesnt the CWB release there Plebecite results by Province we all know what story that would tell.

[charliep]

chuckChuck

Is the CWB a political/social organization or a business one? If you believe the CWB is political/social organization, then I will buy your arguement. If it is a business organization, then the CWB has to win support on the merits of the services it provides its stakeholders/customers.

It would seem from the press conference the discussion is not really about democracy. It is able what protection for the CWB can be built into regulation (access to terminals at ports, rail capacity, etc) and how many tax payer dollars are required to back stop the CWB operations. The really interesting thing in the new CWB will be goverance, ownership structure and financing. Heard the word new generation cooperative many times although I don't think legislation exists in federal laws (does in provincial).

[craig]

Chuck chuck
Simple answer to your question. Whatever government
is in power has the right to form it's own ag policy.
How many years did we live under Liberal rule where
Ralph Goodale set ag policy for Western Canada.
Reality was no one else in his party really cared about
ag issues so he was given free rein. Right now at least
I can go to my local M.P. and he will invite into his
office. That opportunity was never there with Goodale.
He only talked to his friends.