The Conservative Party’s Fair-Weather Democrats

[mbratrud]

Chuckchuck you've tired me out....

Independance day Aug 1 2012, I will buy you a beer!

[blackpowder]

I'll get the second round.

[craig]

Supply management has a visible benefit because it
provides a profit margin over the cost of production.
When could that be ever said of the CWB.

[charliep]

Perhaps the thing both supply management and crop sector have in
common is a farmer has to be good at what they do - particularly if
they any level of debt involved. Average to poor management doesn't
pay for much quota or land. Size of both dairy operations and farms
are increasing to allow for economies of scale and what effectively has
become a tight margin business. Sitting at 90 % plus equity and the
story changes.

Perhaps you chuckChuck will agree that running a business is not a
democracy. Its making tough decisions everyday and being right
more often than a farmer is wrong.

[chuckChuck]

If farmers aren't making money from wheat and durum why are they growing it and selling it through the CWB system?

US farm gate prices may be higher simply because of higher domestic usage at 50% which gives them an advantage over our export dominated sales.

If you can hold your inventory and sell into a market peak you can easily out do a pool return. But in periods of over supply will the collective returns of all farmers from a single desk be higher than multiple sellers. I would argue yes.

Why did Brad Wall get concerned when BHP said it might not use Canpotex? Lower prices for potash and les royalties. Brad saw the benefits of single desk selling didn't he.

Craig, do you support governments intervening to lock in a profit for farmers? Which is what they do on behalf of poultry and dairy. The Conservative government sure does.

[craig]

Chuck chuck
It is not my place to take a position on supply
management because I'm not a poultry or dairy
farmer, re your comment of the single desk doing
better in times of over supply I would question
whether anyone can extract premiums out of the
marketplace in this situation. The only time there are
premiums for Western Canadian is when there is a
shortage of high protein wheat.

[parsley]

Keep up the bullshit chuckchuck. Talk until you are blue.

Either you own your grain or you don't.

Can't have it both ways.

Apply what you believe to poetry you write and sell, to football stores, to ice cream parlours you own and to lingerie stores where you buy your frillies.

Do they own what they produce and sell.

It's a simple concept. Pars

[chuckChuck]

Parsley, It is not a question of ownership it is a question of being forced to use a marketing system you don't want to use.

If you didn't own the grain how is it you receive payment from from the CWB for something you don't own?

Further, if a voluntary Coop sells grain on your behalf do you lose ownership as well? The CWB acts as an agent. Its your choice whether you support it or not. And as with supply management, individual farmers cannot opt out of the system.

You obviously don't support the results of the plebiscite. But if it went the other way you would have found the plebiscite credible.

Ontario farmers and Quebec farmers got a vote and a democratic choice. Ontario chose an open market. Quebec chose a single desk with the Federation de Producteurs Cultivateurs du Quebec to market all wheat for human consumption except organic.

Why is it Ontario and Quebec farmers got a democratic vote and the prairies don't?

Democracy isn't just good when it goes your way. Either you believe in the democratic process or you don't. Being consistent and fair has value.