proposed Alberta Wheat council Left meets Right

[wd9]

So pars are you basically advocating doing nothing?

[parsley]

Wd,  if any leader is not willing to work at
reducing fat in agriculture, or redirect money and
budgets, or curtail specific spending, or re-set
expectations, they are not leadership material.
They are Combo leaders. Combos are leaders
who have self interest and can't add. 

34 million Canadians owe over a trillion dollars in
public debt. Spending and overspending are not
the same. Which part of overspending do you
not understand ?

With my kids, it uses to be the "But, but, but I
waaaaaaannnt", part. Pars.

[TOM4CWB]

Parsley,

Part of being 'human' is co-operating with others!

I know this includes you and your liberty... which is why we propose refundable levies to respect your personal property!

The world stops for no-one. If we do not move forward ... we are left behind!

[wd9]

Well fine and dandy, trim the fat. I don't see investing in the future of our food supply trimming the fat.

Again, what do you propose? All research on the farmers wallet? MII money not only includes gov money, there is a large amount that comes from industry too.

Trim the fat yes, but how in any way can you say this is fat? So spending billions building a stupid hockey rink so dumb asses can pay too much for watered down beer is good use of tax dollars?

Confused.

[parsley]

I am very opposed to funding hoola hoop sports  
for seniors OR iPhone finger-sport for toddlers

But you already know my position on
irresponsible spending. Unless, of course, you
are unaware of the effects of chronic confusion. 

The replacement CWB  act maintains
governments' communist-like control over feed
mills and elevators and seed cleaning plants;
comtinuing designating them, legislatively,  as
"works for the general advantage of Canada"
That imeans comtinuing government control of
farm buildings.  Where was farm leadership to
allow such state intervention to  continue? 

As well, the legislation has changed the CWB's
obligation for buying grain from the farmer  thusly:
"shall buy" the grain offered, now becomes "may
buy" the grain offered

This essentially means rhe CWB picking and  
choosing whom they will buy from as I read
It and gives them a legal right to refuse to buy
from boarderbloke, whilst declaring his mill a
works for tje general advantage of Canada  the
govt has it both ways  pYes well. 

 Where was leadership from the farm
community?  Govts always look after themselves. 

I'm the case off agriculture, which I am interested
in, Govt still rules with a communist hand.  
Industry can lobby them for favors. And
universities will get their funding because
agriman will pay half.  Gov'ts  will brag higher  job
numbers as business glocks in   to get free
funding. Some seedgrowers will fawn for favor.  

Obama's biotech man he appointed to the white
house wrote the text 

Which is nothing new. 

But as you well know, I have a real problem  with
not only being  part of a grand food biotech
experimental project, but also with the creeping
costs of downloading onto farmers while at the 
same time as regulating farmers  into submission
through regulation

The number of farmer -funded projects should
not be increased in case of rampant inflation.  
Projects
maturing should not be remewed  Ongoing
projects should not be  eliminated. 

The amount of farmer dollars for funding should
not be increased by upping checkoffs b/c farmers
cannot afford it

If you want more funding $$, wd, for some 
biotech project that transforms burdock into a
deaigner pricately owned root crop,  go hit up
your grandmother. 

Farmers cannot afford the grand schemes of the
schemer. Pars

[malleefarmer]

the grdc board in australia and im not sure but if you check out link i posted on here a while back you will find i think 8 farmers on the board and only 2 or 3 non farming directors.

one of my good freinds is on grdc as a farmer director it takes him away from his farm for 50 days a year so its a big commitment

[parsley]

Peter, maybe?

[wd9]

Re biotech funding projects, not what is being discussed at all. Private companies are already doing this and don't need farmers dollar a tonne. They will get it back in the 10 bucks a bushel for seed.

Canola commissions and pulse commissions do not do that, why would wheat? what they do is basic research in disease, bugs, productivity, margins, markets, issues of trade, lobbying to benefit farmers etc.

Why not have wheat do it too?

[parsley]

"If our industry doesn't throw in a few pennies
and show some commitment the government will
not throw in the 20's for anything. The matching is
crazy high and hugely beneficial to us as farmers
but nothing happens if we do nothin"

Your words.

Government has to borrow that. "crazy high"
money. Repeat that fact twice to yourself. Out
loud. It hasn't installed itself yet

Western Grains foundation provides a
" few pennies" year after year, it would seem, to
the entitled ungratefull. Pars

[wd9]

Dam rights it should borrow that money and it should go to ensuring farming in Canada stays viable and not lagging behind every country.

Farms pay taxes and more than compensates for any "borrowing" that you parsely are so afraid of.

Your plan is to hide in the corner, not spend, shrink into no consequence, starve to death. Sounds as sustainable as land pillaging organic farming you also strongly believe in. Nutrients not replaced in the land paint a dim future for it.

Investment in our industry, making advances in knowledge, technique, policy and varieties pays back in many ways.

Stick your head in the sand or just give up being afraid to spend and ag is done for.

[wd9]

For example a wheat commission to work on nitrogen fixing wheat. Solves your organic raping the land of n problem by not having to replace it. Saves me from buying urea.

Or, as you suggest, do nothing. Just think of the few cents a tonne farmers could save and we wouldn't have to burden the government with doing their job.

[malleefarmer]

nah not me pars
im up to my eyelids trying start/organize a 120k storage facility were i deliver my grain and go head to head with viterror.......were progressing nicely and hopefully will be up and running for 2012 harvest

[katoe]

Reinventing the wheel already?

[TOM4CWB]

Kato,

Often two wheels are much better than one!

Working together... they even provide more stability!!!

[parsley]

Layers of  checkoffs  are  ingenious milkcows for
funding seekers because every imaginable
farm commodity agency will automatically deduct
producer
money.  
Checkoffing  a crop of Forage could be a dandy
moneymaker. Straw!

Then when a provincial
Agency decidesnto overlap double
Dipping, with a federal agency, well, the 
deductions base can grow still more  
And then the Sask Pulse militia the can introduce
the art of  legislating compulsory  participation
down the road if bitter complainers  become
commonplace.    

Governments, proudly bloated with with deficits
and debt, will    automatically borrow to match. 

Kerching. Kerching.  

The debt clock records the demands of the
Entitled  who are behaving rather like a
generation of teenagers out on a lark with your
car and  credit cards.

And I waited for an entire afternoon to reply,
Tom, so I could be ultra nice. pars