CWB benefits example

[wd9]

This was taken from wheat example way down the list and thought it would make a good question for board supporters to answer. Have at it.

So Integrity Farmer, suppose the wheat is 5 Bucks where the CWB is trying to market wheat along with everyone else. Location unimportant.

How does the CWB get me more money then what the market will pay for it?

If we use canola for example, i can get within pennies of what the exchange says it is worth and there are no marketing costs like CWBs Gord Flaten's dry cleaning bill. Certainly a big reason why it was an absolute failure to put canola under the CWB. There was not shown any value whatsoever putting canola with the CWB. Best you could get was an average price for the year, of course minus marketing fees, pensions, sick days, bonuses, stress pay, law suits with every Tom Dick and Harry, little Timmy's braces, and on and on.

If I sold 1/12 of my crop on the second tuesday every month, i would effectively acheive the same without the above expenses.

So I ask again and carefully and a great opportunity for you to show me something tangible, if wheat was off the CWB and was just like canola is today, how would the CWB provide me a price bump and benefit over what the wheat gets sold for to convince me to put it on the CWB?

[wilagro]

Those are all questions for the CWB to answer. Why do you keep on asking CWB users these questions? You'd think that we were running the damned thing. The CWB is a creation of GOVERNMENT...we didn't start it although farmers did lobby their provincial governments to petition the Federal government of the day to help them out from pending financial disaster at the time.

Time after time you antis keep after us for supporting the CWB..I just don't know why you do this. We have our reasons, we DON'T have to answer to you for Khrist's sake. Seems like you just have to have a whipping boy to vent against. It is irrational.

[wd9]

Intersting reply. You would think someone who adamantly supports the CWB would actually have an answer.

BTW, the CWB couldn't answer it either for canola or even wheat for that matter, they wanted the farmers to do it. I was at the initial meetings, please see the 1/12 example above as this was the best they could do.

Maybe its not adamantly, maybe its just blindly supporting.

[blackpowder]

It is neither easy nor should it be necessary to explain an individuals' value and belief systems. They are both tangible and intangible.
Of course this long standing argument too often strays further in this area than it should.
But I believe it is these value and belief processes that are at the source of the problem.
How far do we let certain decision making processes take us?
Wheat is an industrial raw commodity. It does not belong in the same category or discussion as social welfare programs for example.
Let's all admit that the CWB argument should be all about business. Whats best for 'our' industry, 'our' economy, 'our' country.
It should never have been allowed to become a clash between right and left!
The system that allows us the highest quality of life on the planet isn't always 'right' but I acknowledge its superiority for our age.

[johnsmith]

The PCLF's can't answer the question because they don't know how. It's a cult type system for them, the upper power does all the thinking. They are subordinates. So the question is an impossible task.

[Choice2U]

IF the CWB arguement is all about business, then why isn't the voting system based on business principals. Thus, if it's economics then use a weighted ballot. If it's a social policy, then use democracy. The CWB wants it both ways.

With that being said...I HAVE NO RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW YOU SHOULD SELL YOUR PRODUCTION AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO WITH MINE.

[katoe]

You get to see how close you can get to the futures but you dont see whatthe grain co's sell it for.

[katoe]

You get to see how close you can get to the futures but you dont see whatthe grain co's sell it for.

[wd9]

Sure you do, its called share value and dividends.

[blackpowder]

Choice2U: I agree with you, the argument itself should always have been about business. Of course the 'CWB' drama has never been strictly that.

[wd9]

So, can someone please answer the first question?

[parsley]

This is how the CWB reasoned organic prices;

Ding ding
"CWB. Good. Morning"
JOE: "This is Joe. I have a buyer in California
for organic wheat. I need to do a buyback. How
much is the buyback? "

"That's nice how much are you selling your wheat
for ?"
JOE: "I don't want to say the price!"
"Well, I'm afraid you have to if you want to do a
buyback.(smile )"

JOE: "well it's $27.00 a bushel."

"The buyback is a bit high right now because the
price in California that we market wheat at is
$21.00 a bushel and ......."

JOE: " you don't get that price. How can you tell
Me that's the price when i know farmers don't get
that price?"

" yea well we set the price to whatever we say it
shall be. We say it's $21.00. Now we may set a
different price tommorow. Or not. (smile)"

Joe hangs up.