Massive CWB rally in Ottawa

[wd9]

Thanks Pars Only 1000 characters allowed so shortened.

Posted in Agriville by a passionate organic farmer.

"The liberals established a Museum of Human Rights in Winnipeg, perhaps the Government could purchase 413 Main, money in the pooling accounts, then donate as the museum home.
The building is symbolic of 70 years of ag economic human rights abuses, and an authentic icon representing legislative expropriation of grain marketing.
The action, may ...prompt a segue for the gov to initiate vigorous property rights initiatives. On the main floor foyer a jail cell with a
wax Andy shackled and chained,; a commentary video of the single desk worth, playing quotes and news clips by it's fanatical adherents.
Top floor would discreetly house 'The Emporer has no Clothes' exhibit highlighting a wax plump Ralph, nude, with his disciples, Nettie front and centre, chanting ' Jail farmers who sell their wheat' on a lightening bolt lighted colored
video. The emporer wielding a light sabre of course. " Petroselinum hortense

[grassfarmer]

Oh yeah W9 if it's on Wikipedia it must be true....sheesh.

Pearson, what a dumb argument to suggest that the CWB would have to be the only marketer of wheat in the world to be a monopoly when the same logic would also have to apply to anyone choosing to call it a monopsony - is it the only buyer of wheat in the world?

I don't expect anything else from the AB Government and it's employees - facts are negotiable as long as the ideology stands.
All the bitching about how much money the CWB spends on this that or the next thing - how about telling us how much money the AB Government has spent in the last decade trying to destroy the CWB with their extensive adverts and ongoing political mischieve making?

[parsley]

Passionate? Me?Ha! More like a humdrum
dullard who spent three solid hours signing &
initialing contracts today. Pars

[parsley]

Grassy, are you continuing to work on property
rights issues for farmers? Pars

[parsley]

If you are grassy, could we skeleton the CWB
issue in the closet, buy a six pak and work on
property rights together this winter?

[charliep]

Not suggesting anything of the sort. Likely agreeing with you. The CWB is not a monopoly in any shape of the form. Go back to your economics 101 texts.

A monopoly has exclusive control over production and therefore supply - that's what would give it power. The CWB is not an exclusive seller of wheat or barley no does it control production.

Not a monopsony either (exclusive buyer) - the CWB competes with the domestic market - particularly in a year like the current one. Wheat also competes with other crops for acres on returns.

Will leave the rest go. The train has left the station.

[charliep]

grassfarmer

A challenge I will put in front of you is provide some thoughts to caseman
about his question on an fpc versus staying in the pool. You have
participated in some of the investment discussion. Use your business savy
to make a recommendation and perhaps in this explanation why the heavy
discount between the fpc and the PRO or that matter the premium on the
EPO. Won't ask you to explain the difference between the durum and the
US durum cash price.

[grassfarmer]

So charliep what you are saying now is that the CWB is not the only buyer and/or seller of wheat and barley for the designated area. So why the decades of bitching about it being the only place they can sell, where they are "forced to sell"? By your admission they already have marketing choice. Makes 95% of the rhetoric on here redundant does it not?

I have no interest in attempting to answer your technical question posted by someone else, I don't have the expertise nor profess to have it.
I'd be more interested in knowing how much the AB Government has spent on this destroy the wheat board nonsense over the last decade - how many $million a year has it cost taxpayers including grain growers who support retention of the CWB? I guess you don't see the double standard there when there is all the talk about how much the CWB is spending defending itself.

[charliep]

Fight old battles if you like. I'm ready for the new world. The new world has potential for a competitive CWB.

I note your name and creativity in direct marketing beef. I don't think you would argue for a single desk in beef. Just a thought.

[grassfarmer]

That's where you are wrong charlie - I think a single desk marketing board has much to offer the beef sector. Google Northwest Consolidated Beef Producers a startup AB outfit post BSE comprising smaller feedlots and feedlots that were on the packer no-buy blacklists at that time. They put together a collective showlist every week and despite the packers knowing full well who was behind it the average prices achieved by NWCBP soon topped the weekly averages in the province. A clear example of marketing power achieved by working collectively to the benefit of participants.

[charliep]

Lots of examples where producers are working together to market their products and achieve premiums but none are based on legislated single desk.

That is the issue - not forcing it on everyone via government regulation. Organizations have to demonstrate value to their stakeholders.

[charliep]

Just curious on what your position was on mandatory checkoffs for ABP
and the move to voluntary. Will get into trouble with Parsley and from
there the discussion of ability to opt out/refundable but the original
question was should any commission have the legislated ability to a
checkoff with no ability opt out.

To the original post, I hope there are discussions with CWB in the
background about the new CWB world and what it might look like in an
open market. Too much like a game of Texas hold'em with the CWB all in
and poor hand at best/hoping for a good flop.

[parsley]

Each government elected, grassy, pursues the
agenda that aligns with their philosophy. AB
represented my views more than NDP in SK. In
fact, the NDP in SK formed a land bank because
their view of the world was state farming, with
government actively bidding against farmers with
taxpayer money, buying every chunk of land they
could find and then renting it back to producers

The ultimate single desk.

Except it doesn't work in the real world. IF you
want a high standard of living.
You defended farmland property rights as I recall.
I had presumed it wasn't one single government
land-desk? Pars

[parsley]

Pleased you are able to anticipate my views on
mandatory checkoffs Charliep. lol pars

[parsley]

The dollars the NDP spent in SK buying farmland
to sell back to farmers was obscene. The goal
towards a single land desk was the cause of the
grief

The AB Govt spent money trying to get rid of the
CWB single desk. The single desk was the cause
of the grief.

Legislated single desks are ineffective, expensive
and immoral. Pars