Massive CWB rally in Ottawa

[charliep]

Lots of examples where producers are working together to market their products and achieve premiums but none are based on legislated single desk.

That is the issue - not forcing it on everyone via government regulation. Organizations have to demonstrate value to their stakeholders.

[charliep]

Just curious on what your position was on mandatory checkoffs for ABP
and the move to voluntary. Will get into trouble with Parsley and from
there the discussion of ability to opt out/refundable but the original
question was should any commission have the legislated ability to a
checkoff with no ability opt out.

To the original post, I hope there are discussions with CWB in the
background about the new CWB world and what it might look like in an
open market. Too much like a game of Texas hold'em with the CWB all in
and poor hand at best/hoping for a good flop.

[parsley]

Each government elected, grassy, pursues the
agenda that aligns with their philosophy. AB
represented my views more than NDP in SK. In
fact, the NDP in SK formed a land bank because
their view of the world was state farming, with
government actively bidding against farmers with
taxpayer money, buying every chunk of land they
could find and then renting it back to producers

The ultimate single desk.

Except it doesn't work in the real world. IF you
want a high standard of living.
You defended farmland property rights as I recall.
I had presumed it wasn't one single government
land-desk? Pars

[parsley]

Pleased you are able to anticipate my views on
mandatory checkoffs Charliep. lol pars

[parsley]

The dollars the NDP spent in SK buying farmland
to sell back to farmers was obscene. The goal
towards a single land desk was the cause of the
grief

The AB Govt spent money trying to get rid of the
CWB single desk. The single desk was the cause
of the grief.

Legislated single desks are ineffective, expensive
and immoral. Pars

[bucket]

parsley

And those single desks are run by the same type of people. Very important to remember.

[charliep]

Alberta farmers have supported CWB change for a long period of time -
CWB producer surveys show this. You seem and others seem to argue
otherwise but as managers of $ 1 million plus businesses, Alberta
farmers have the ability to gather information and make decisions that
reflect their financial requirments and business interests. In reality, it
has been Alberta farmer managers that lead government policy - not
the other way around. Not really all that much Alberta money or time
spent on the CWB file. We can likely agree there are more important
issues. This too will pass.

Again, irrelelevant unless the current process is stopped in the legal
system.

[parsley]

Yes bucket, run by oberg-mccreary-roehle types.
But I did learn from the SK landbank fiasco, that
even ardent single wheat-deskers, did not want
single land-deskers in place. You can take my
wheat but not my land. In the case of grassy, is it
take my cow but not my land?

For me.. My cow, my gun, my land, and my
wheat are mine. Hands off. pars

[silverback]

But, but, but where's the agricultural justice in what you are talking about? It just can't be FAIR that some ranchers and feedlot guys who started with nothing now have lots of stuff! It's not fair that some ranchers and feedlot guys that have been in this country for 5 generations building very large operations aren't sharing what they have with guys who have just come over to enjoy our cheaper land and smaller regulation load?! It's not fair, it's not fair! Farmers don't know it, but what they really need is to pool all their earnings together and some marketing agency somewhere will decide what is owing back to them! It is the smart thing to do and it is the right thing to do and it is the just thing to do because I am smarter than the rest of you. You will all be crushed by big corporations if you don't heed my words.

[wd9]

Grassfarmer, why was putting canola on the CWB an absolute failure?