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    Subprime crisis explained !

    Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Detroit .

    She realizes virtually all of her customers are unemployed and, as such, can no longer afford to patronize her bar.

    To solve this problem, she comes up with a new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later. Heidi keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans).

    Word gets around about Heidi’s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi’s bar. Soon she has the largest sales volume for any bar in Detroit.

    By providing her customers freedom from immediate payment demands, Heidi gets no resistance when, at regular intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages.

    Consequently, Heidi’s gross sales volume increases massively.

    A young and dynamic vice-president at Heidi’s local bank recognizes these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Heidi’s borrowing limit.

    He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral!

    At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders figure out a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into DRINK BONDS.

    These “securities” are bundled and traded on international securities markets.

    Naive investors don’t really understand the securities being sold to them as “AAA Secured Bonds” really are debts of unemployed alcoholics.

    Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously climb and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for some of the nation’s leading brokerage houses.

    One day, even though the bond prices still are climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by Heidi’s bar. He so informs Heidi.

    Heidi then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts.

    Since Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations to the bank she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and Heidi’s 11 employees lose their jobs.

    Overnight, DRINK BOND prices drop by 90%.

    The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community.

    The suppliers of Heidi’s bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms’ pension funds in the bond securities.

    They find they are now faced with having to write off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

    Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor, who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

    In addition, the laid-off workers’ pension funds and Individual Retirement Accounts all suffer substantial loss in value.

    Fortunately, though, the bank, brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multibillion dollar, no-strings attached cash infusion from the government.

    The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class nondrinkers who have never been in or heard of Heidi’s bar.

    Now do you understand?

    Wow some people just have a way of getting to the point real easily.

    #2
    And some wonder why there is unrest and an occupy Wallstreet movement!

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      #3
      At the end of the day though it was the un employed drunks fault, and Heidi was a good salesman.

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        #4
        Not to be defensive of the Banks, but at some point consumers need to take responsibilty for their actions. The leveraging starts at the bottom. It's the same as buying a couch and paying for it in 2015. It becomes unsecured debt as soon as you leaves the store. People have to be responsible for their decisions. So it is clear the banks facilitated the whole mess, but the consumers bought in.

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          #5
          That is why you need governments to regulate more because many people are to stupid and to greedy to care what happens.

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            #6
            NO, that is why you need less government regulation forcing banks to loan money to people that cannot pay it back( or even have a job). Government and bureaucrats are too stupid to have the kind of power we have allowed them to acquire.

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              #7
              You missed the point Agstar. It's the occupy people who were the unemployed alcholics. They were half the equation.
              Chuck, it was the regulators who blew it, why would we want more of them.

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                #8
                Chuck you are not going to fix stupidity
                and greed with regulation. If it was
                curable with regulation then it would have
                happened by now. Bearing the consequences
                of one's actions is more effective.

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                  #9
                  Easy credit was the problem in this whole scenario. In Alberta the rules used to be that ALL booze sales were on a cash basis and if a bar or lounge sold on credit then it could lose its license and/or be fined or closed down for a month or more.

                  Lack of regulation and enforcement was at the bottom of the problem...its a no-brainer.

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                    #10
                    consumers are like children, give them sweets without cost and they will eat till their teeth fall out.

                    Banks are the cause of the mess, by irresponsible lending and irresponsible selling on of the debt.
                    They should have paid for that by bankruptcy, same as you and i, but govt bailed them out, and their party continues while we suffer.
                    Instead of banks going down, we now have countries going down, because the countries didnt dish out the harsh medicine back in 2008.
                    UK just sold off northern rock bank for half what they gave for it in 2008, when they had to stop the first run on a british bank for 200 yrs.
                    is that good business?

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                      #11
                      It is not just easy credit, it's about why don't people have enough money to get by on their paychecks? The easy credit was in place as a scam but it is masking the real problem of not enough money going to the everyday average family working their asses off, while others are lounging in excess at the expense of the everyday family, that is the real problem and until it gets recognized it will get to a point where the current accupy will seem trivial if it isn't already.

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                        #12
                        Riders, that would be the "disappearing middle class".
                        The consequence of failing banks is those that save could lose their investments. If investors would be protected the screw the banks.

                        Heidi should not have sold on credit and started the mess.
                        Banks "made up" paper investments bending all the rules currently in place. Heidi example, "At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders figure out a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into DRINK BONDS".
                        That sort of crap is the cause. How to control human greed?

                        If the wheels fall off big time, we will all be in the 99% demanding a new monetary system.

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                          #13
                          Riders who decides what is the proper level of income for a family? Maybe the paycheck is enough to live on but they just want more. Could this be the case? Is it mandatory to have a cell phone, computer, quad, skis, etc... you name it. Are some living beyond their means and crying that their paychecks are not enough to live off now?

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                            #14
                            Good points fjlp, where would heidi be if she didn't grant the credit though? where would all the businesses be that need the so called drunks to have money be without the credit? The credit just extended the businesses a little bit further, the big crash would have come anyway right?
                            So the credit as I said was not the cause it was a sideshow scam masking the and extending the problems.

                            Too much money is being taken by the rich from the middle class.

                            I wonder how many Canadians that have both people working in their families say that they cannot make ends meet, or are just barely making ends meet?

                            That example is kinda offensive because it implies all people out of work or not able to pay the bills are like drunks and that is not the case for most people, "the middle class"

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                              #15
                              Greg that implies that the people are the problem and for some that is true, but trust me I know that is not the case for most. And if the economy is affected as greatly as it is by this then it involves alot more than just the drunks don't you think? Look at household debt levels?
                              Lots of other factors such as free trade deals with countries that pay their people pennies an hour. Who does that really benefit?

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