Story about Viterra grading problems in Australia

[chuckChuck]

Hey guys don't worry about problems in the open market. Once the CWB is gone all your problems will be solved.

Farmers had alot of input into how the CWB was run through the Board of Directors. This input will all be gone in an open market. Your only choice will be twiddle dum or twiddle dee.

Well done guys, you have made sure farmers will have F.... all say when it comes to marketing, rail car allocation, producer cars, solving trade disputes, introduction of GM wheat and host of other related issues.

If you think that is success then you are sadly mistaken.

[BTOfarmallll]

Chuck, didn't I tell ya to quit Chuckin My Wood???? I need that to keep warm at Night, Christ man. Couldn't give Two Flying F***'s what is going to happen. When BTO's grain rolls inta Thee Elevator 0.8% Dockage or less or We shut da B's down. That F***'in Simple, Ain't no two ways about it, I call The Shots, call that A Shot Caller. Do The Same Thing, Get The Same Results...........

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff, Weber, without all the sales data from the CWB in its numerous markets and its competitors over a long period of time how can you pass judgement on the CWB?

Every time I bring up the KFT study, Richards Grays work, or Andy Schmidts analysis all you do is discredit it. Sorry but that is not an argument.

Over the years there were several Directors who were elected and then changed their support to the CWB after learning about the benefits of the CWB.

Further in 2007/2008 Durum hit some pretty high numbers and it was clear that Canadian farmers on average sold for a higher weighted price as a group than did US farmers who primarily contracted in the spring at low values. Sure there was a few farmers who sold at higher values but the overall price benefit was better in Canada. Why not acknowledge this?

I am not sure how or why you think the CWB is your enemy but in essence what you are saying is your fellow farmers are the enemy.

It is kind of like the Montana militia who believe the Government is the enemy or the individuals and businesses who refuse to pay taxes while driving on public roads, sending their children to public schools, and using public health care because they don't believe in paying taxes.

It is also incredible that you probably vote Conservative, complain about the CWB and at the same time in effect support supply management marketing boards for dairy and poultry?

Not to mention that you also benefit from numerous subsidies to agriculture in the form of Crop Insurance, Agri-Stability, and Agri-Invest, fuel tax breaks, publically funded research, subsidies to ethanol.... etc. etc.

[LWeber]

Why not let parents mark their children’s exams while we are at it.

I’ve debated the KFT study with you before - so has Depape. You chose not to answer. That is a skill set you have.

While you continue to link supply management to the CWB - the Dairy Farmers want no part of this debate. All the lobbying they did on your behalf in the 90's is haunting them.

If durum was higher once in 10 years, does that take away a farmer’s right to manage their business themselves. Ask Cotton how that is working for him this year…

Changed their support? With a Chairman carrot; with a save my farm carrot? Lame.

I asked you this once before. See if you have the gonads this time to answer.

You lamented on another post about GM wheat. It indicates that you are on the outside looking in, naive or disingenuous?

Which is it?

There was on old poster in here by the name of Boone. He never died – just resurrected.

[gregpet]

chuck you discredit any study that shows the CWB reduces farmers income, why is that any
different?

Will you admit chuck that the CWB suppresses some farmers income while increases some farmers
income?

Why not enjoy a dual market where those that benefit from the CWB will and those that want
options can have them?

[Burbert]

Welcome to a Whole New World of Gag
Bullskat. Once the multis have control,
wes can just go and suck on it, cousin
that'll be all wes kin do! They've been
cheatin use every way possible to date.
Wit there new mandate, its bound to get
way, way, way worse. Viterra is a tired
old company, but kin justify whatever it
does, by saying the bottom line is all
that counts, cousin wes publically
traded and open fer business, go
elsewhere ifn you don't like us! Oh
wait I forgot, there is nowhere else ta
go, oh well business as usual...........

[Burbert]

bto's .8% dockage, then yous goes
elsewhere. Where, ta the company that
cheated ya, last year, er the one that
cheated ya the year before. Once you've
been around the horn and they all know
ya, then they just have fun wit ya, no??
What da ya think. They need us, we
don't need them. Ya right, think again.
Whatare ya gonna do eat it, er ram it
thru the cows, then lose money on
them!!!!! Ha, ha, just kiddin. I nose
guys/gals around the beer table that say
they kin make money ifn grain was 1 cent
a bushel. Now those are smartie
marketeers.......

[gregpet]

chuck would that be the input on buying the steamers? More options, better programs to
reflect a cash price? A real basis?

The problem is the CWB never listened and is still refusing to listen to its own legal teams.
Prepare for the future.

Found and interesting quote about the dual market. Were you aware of this?

A quote from Vernon Fowke in his book The National Policy and the Wheat Economy:

" The pools represented a producer-owned and producer-controlled alternative to the open
market system for the disposal of Canadian wheat. They were the first cooperatives to
aspire to this position in the Canadian grain trade.... From 1923 to 1931 the open market
survived as an alternative channel for the disposal of Canadian wheat in competition with
the pools."

Author unknown for this one:

" It's hard to know what to make of the CWB's claim that they cannot survive as a voluntary
marketing agency. It would appear that they are either insincere, incompetent, or ignorant:
Insincere because they know better but aren't saying; incompetent because they truly can't
figure it out; or ignorant because they are unaware that prairie farmers already
accomplished this feat in the 1920s.
Consider this: In the 1920s, farmers had no fax machines, no cell phones, no computers,
and no Internet. They had no paved roads, no large grain trucks, and...no super-B's. They
owned no terminals, no rail lines and, as of yet, no elevators. Yet under these conditions,
they decided to form a voluntary wheat cooperative known as the prairie wheat pools.
The very challenges that the CWB says it cannot overcome were confronted and solved by
farmers in the 1920s.
No elevators? No terminals? No problem. Existing elevator owners recognized they would
be passing up business if they sniffed at the pools. Deals were struck to move pool grain.
Open market price higher than the pooled price? No big deal. Multi-year contracts were the
solution. And when challenged in court, the contracts stood up. Problem after problem--
confronted and solved by prairie farmers. In the 1920s.
It wasn't until the combination of the 1929 stock market crash, falling commodity prices and
bad business decisions by management that the pools went broke and had to be bailed
out.... Until that time, they had been growing and handling over 50 per cent of the prairie
wheat crop. It was a voluntary pooling system that worked."

[LWeber]

People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction
rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.

John Kenneth Galbraith

[jdepape]

chuckChuck:

You seem to like Richard Gray's barley study of 2005 (among others).

Would you still like it if you knew he and the Schmitz's had copied someone else's work? Would you still think it didn't deserve being discredited?

Can you spell "plagiarize"?

Would you still defend it if you knew that the work they plagiarized was the Sparks Barley study of 2004?

You didn't know? Well, you do now.