Story about Viterra grading problems in Australia

[gregpet]

chuck you discredit any study that shows the CWB reduces farmers income, why is that any
different?

Will you admit chuck that the CWB suppresses some farmers income while increases some farmers
income?

Why not enjoy a dual market where those that benefit from the CWB will and those that want
options can have them?

[Burbert]

Welcome to a Whole New World of Gag
Bullskat. Once the multis have control,
wes can just go and suck on it, cousin
that'll be all wes kin do! They've been
cheatin use every way possible to date.
Wit there new mandate, its bound to get
way, way, way worse. Viterra is a tired
old company, but kin justify whatever it
does, by saying the bottom line is all
that counts, cousin wes publically
traded and open fer business, go
elsewhere ifn you don't like us! Oh
wait I forgot, there is nowhere else ta
go, oh well business as usual...........

[Burbert]

bto's .8% dockage, then yous goes
elsewhere. Where, ta the company that
cheated ya, last year, er the one that
cheated ya the year before. Once you've
been around the horn and they all know
ya, then they just have fun wit ya, no??
What da ya think. They need us, we
don't need them. Ya right, think again.
Whatare ya gonna do eat it, er ram it
thru the cows, then lose money on
them!!!!! Ha, ha, just kiddin. I nose
guys/gals around the beer table that say
they kin make money ifn grain was 1 cent
a bushel. Now those are smartie
marketeers.......

[gregpet]

chuck would that be the input on buying the steamers? More options, better programs to
reflect a cash price? A real basis?

The problem is the CWB never listened and is still refusing to listen to its own legal teams.
Prepare for the future.

Found and interesting quote about the dual market. Were you aware of this?

A quote from Vernon Fowke in his book The National Policy and the Wheat Economy:

" The pools represented a producer-owned and producer-controlled alternative to the open
market system for the disposal of Canadian wheat. They were the first cooperatives to
aspire to this position in the Canadian grain trade.... From 1923 to 1931 the open market
survived as an alternative channel for the disposal of Canadian wheat in competition with
the pools."

Author unknown for this one:

" It's hard to know what to make of the CWB's claim that they cannot survive as a voluntary
marketing agency. It would appear that they are either insincere, incompetent, or ignorant:
Insincere because they know better but aren't saying; incompetent because they truly can't
figure it out; or ignorant because they are unaware that prairie farmers already
accomplished this feat in the 1920s.
Consider this: In the 1920s, farmers had no fax machines, no cell phones, no computers,
and no Internet. They had no paved roads, no large grain trucks, and...no super-B's. They
owned no terminals, no rail lines and, as of yet, no elevators. Yet under these conditions,
they decided to form a voluntary wheat cooperative known as the prairie wheat pools.
The very challenges that the CWB says it cannot overcome were confronted and solved by
farmers in the 1920s.
No elevators? No terminals? No problem. Existing elevator owners recognized they would
be passing up business if they sniffed at the pools. Deals were struck to move pool grain.
Open market price higher than the pooled price? No big deal. Multi-year contracts were the
solution. And when challenged in court, the contracts stood up. Problem after problem--
confronted and solved by prairie farmers. In the 1920s.
It wasn't until the combination of the 1929 stock market crash, falling commodity prices and
bad business decisions by management that the pools went broke and had to be bailed
out.... Until that time, they had been growing and handling over 50 per cent of the prairie
wheat crop. It was a voluntary pooling system that worked."

[LWeber]

People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction
rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.

John Kenneth Galbraith

[jdepape]

chuckChuck:

You seem to like Richard Gray's barley study of 2005 (among others).

Would you still like it if you knew he and the Schmitz's had copied someone else's work? Would you still think it didn't deserve being discredited?

Can you spell "plagiarize"?

Would you still defend it if you knew that the work they plagiarized was the Sparks Barley study of 2004?

You didn't know? Well, you do now.

[malleefarmer]

The whole saga revolved around the falling
numbers machines,vitterra flatly refused to get
any,those lucky enough to have a alternate site
Cargill/awb in same town just went there and got
graded correctly mostly upgraded.
The previous owner of our was abb prior to that
ausbulk well last wet harvest ausbulk ****d
burned pillaged stole did what ever they could do
to get fn machines just a different mindset

[oneoff]

chuck;;; How much "skin" have you got in the CWB monopoly control of wheat, durum and barley ie. outside the possible export "permits" that may be free or relatively very low cost. There's got to be somethings you truly fear losing; that is very important to you personally. I know that you are concerned about Walmart type control of any sector; how unlucky your kids might be; your fear of many becoming farm employees; land acquisition by those richer than you; the hypocisy of accepting government payments while voting Conservative etc. But there has to be some real burrs that make you put time into defending your position. Just give us one real issue the other side can epathise with.
But the CWB has had little to no effect on any of these trends. As was mentioned a few posts back; is it a legitimate policy of the CWB to attempt to redistribute wealth? Does Director Rod Flamans comments not make that totally clear. The answer in my books is that it flies in the face of a country which is striving for free enterprize principles. Or do you support the directors statemnets?
As for Canadian supply management for dairy and poultry..... USA fluid milk on the grocery store shelf is priced just as expensive as milk on the shelf 150 miles north in Canada ($4.85 US per US gallon and can be purchased for slightly less per 4 liters in Canada.) Unlike you; I can accept things which don't significantly differ; and instead save the words to report on what does differ in comparisons. When supply management is not serving the consumer well; then is the time to raise that issue. But when turkeys in Canada can be had in season for less than $1.00 per pound (in special promotions) and they are $0.88 or even 74 cents at the Walmart; near Thanksgiving; just what is the significant price difference. To bring this argument into the CWB debate is merely to inject fear and attempt gaining support for a commercial grain producer monopoly that provides no options for a significant number of farmers who wish your hand to be taken out of their pockets.

[oneoff]

"Sure there was a few farmers who sold at higher values but the overall price benefit was better in Canada. Why not acknowledge this? "

And there are a few (obviously including yourself) who benefit from the current CWB. Combined with your acknowlegement that a few could have sold at higher prices; the clear conclusion can only be that you have no problem with your benefit coming at the expense of those whom you have denied marketing options.

[craig]

Chuck Chuck
I come from Central Alberta. Farmers in our area have had no opportunity for input since farmer directors came in. All our directors got were slaps on the wrist for expressing farmers views.

[gregpet]

chuck looks like the problem was dealt with. Any more horror stories?

[craig]

I'm confused. Viterra is in trouble for not having falling number machines. Has the CWB ever supported falling number machines. No because they supported visual grading and KVD.
Said the world would come to an end without KVD and were willing to kill the winter wheat industry in the process. So if you believe crops should be graded on falling numbers because that's the specs the end use customer buys on then your telling me the CWB basically sold out to the grain companies. Good to see they are looking after us.