canoe on Bill 18

[parsley]

Grassy,

You defend collectivity. But you did not address
my question I posed some time ago, so let's get it
out of the way:
1. Do you support Collective ownership of farms
and farmland?
2. Do you support property rights formfarm and
farmland?

I'm being mean to you this morning b/c you are
smart enough to know this is where you go off
the rails. But the point is... You have to decide
what your personal philosophy IS.

Either you are a communist or you are not a
communist. And reign in your tendencies to stray,
accordingly. Pars

[grassfarmer]

Parsley,
No I don't support Collective ownership of farms and farmland.
Yes, I support property rights for farm and farmland.

Where you think I stray from your rails is that I don't share the view that the cwb is an agency that steals from farmers. It's a farmer directed marketing board. If you don't like the way it operates elect different directors - truth is you have tried for years and been unable to because although the anti-cwb side accounts for 90% of the rhetoric on Agriville it is in the minority in the designated area. Time after time the grain growers have decided not to elect "reformers" like Tom Jackson.
I stand in the corner of the majority, who have repeatedly shown that they want to retain the cwb and the single desk selling. I believe these farmers have rights too, rights to elect the directors they want and freedom to retain the cwb as is if that is the consensus of the majority.
I don't think you'd be too happy if you woke up tomorrow and were told an NDP prime minister was taking over running the country and that the elected Conservative majority would be out on their ear. So why is it OK to do it in the cwb issue?

[ASRG]

parsley: Like I said I never made in any sacrifice and I don't think anyone who wasn't there has much to say about it.
My dad died young from war wounds he got in Holland. My uncle (who I never knew) was killed in Italy......those guys could bitch.....not you or me?
The monopoly is done......you won.....take a valium and enjoy your victory?
When you were a kid did you take great delight in rubbing it in that your team won the ball game? Or were you taught right....you tell the other team they played well and you appreciated their effort?
Remember?: It's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game.....did your mother never tell you that?

[parsley]

I'm an organic farmer and one of them who
worked hard to create a brand new unheard of
market with willing buyers and sellers; in a
process that didnt cost you a cent.

Organics was a system that was built upon free
selling and free buying until those sonofa*******
at the CWB stepped in, and expropriated the
selling of wheat and barley, undercut and ruined
the wheat and barley markets, and paid
themselves well.

I despise them for who they are as well as what
they maliciously ruin for self gain.

If you want to band together to sell products, I
applaud you because it shows the ability to co-
operate, the vision of planned expansion with
ample supply, managerial ability of scale, good
will, and an appreciation of a dedicated flow of
commerce.

You might want to think about this Viking curse:

"If you want to force me to join your band of
eleven or eleven hundred, either by threats, or
regulatory measures, or by simple sheer force,
then may your mind be cursed with voracious
flesh-eating maggots that torture each and every
one of your brain cells and each maggot shall
piss a boiling sting into each cell centre until you
collapse into the depths of the hell you so richly
deserve. After which I'll work on revenge for your
deeds of dirty force"

Clear cut isn't it. Pars

[parsley]

ASRG please read your dissertation to Allan
berg and the directors who continue to act, and
protest, and complain, as though the government
has no legitimacy, has no right as a majority to
rescind or revise legislation.

Farmers looking for, and working towards
meaningful change, have traditionally ignored the
antics of the NFU's David Orchard types who
chained themselves to the wall railings in the
hotels to protest against free markets. We've also
observed the Nettie Wiebe type communists
urging all governments to jail all farmers who
protest against the CWB. We've listened to the
likes of Ralph Goodale testifying in parliament
that the entire cost of the CWB licensing
department merely amounts to the salaries of a
couple of employees, which us such a lying,
deceptive answer, that even the bravest among
us is at a loss for words at such audacity.

We've been more than patient with the lies, the
bullshit, the meaness of Wheat Board
doctrinaires. They fit into one abbreviation: "my
way or jail".

And still whining.

I want this divorce decreed. So I never have to
hear Jan' s name again quoted from anything I
attend. Or Bob Roehle's on anything I sign. Or
watch Alan Oberg's being interviewed about any
wheat marketing on a radio program ever again.

Until then, they are like lice. Trying to feed off the
fruits of wheat and barley sales. Irritating. Trying
to multiply their own. Gorged full.

If i get a bit bitchy it's because I'm Itchy. Pars.

[highwayman]

Grassy if the single desk supporters are truly in the majority as you claim than the board should have no problems attracting deliveries in a voluntary pool should they? But we both know based on every board survey from the last 10 years or more that the large majority of farmers want choice, don't we. As far as single deskers having rights, when it comes to my property, they have no rights! Get it!!

[grassfarmer]

If the single desk supporters AREN'T truly in the majority how did you always get directors elected that supported the single desk?

[highwayman]

Obviously you believe the CWB director elections a legitimate process, which is a belly slapper. But it matters not because the real majority has spoken hasn't it. And I do believe FREEDOM has trumped CWB TYRANNY.

[grassfarmer]

"Obviously you believe the CWB director elections a legitimate process, which is a belly slapper. But it matters not because the real majority has spoken hasn't it."

So what is the "real majority"? the vocal minority of grain growers? or the federal Government majority? Either way it's a pretty slipery path to be on in a democratic country. I don't think either the vocal minority being able to over-ride the wishes of the majority or a Government unilaterally being able to extinguish organisations despite the wishes of the majority of the members are desirable or commendable things.
What's next? extinguishing an opposition party?, the Western Wheat Growers? if at some point in the future they find themselves on opposite sides of an argument. Dangerous, dangerous precedant being set here and it doesn't sound much like freedom to me.

[FarmRanger]

Were the director elections as stacked with non-
farming and retired landlords as the so-called
plebiscite?

[highwayman]

"Vocal minority overriding the majortiy"?? Thats rich. Even after 10 years of the CWBs own surveys consistently showing otherwise you still cant absorb. I can understand your disconnect from the realty of grain farming as being a grassgrower but none the less, if it is actually as you say, the CWB should have no trouble attracting the volume of grain to a voluntary pool from their majority of support,should it not? LOL!
These same old arguements of majority vs minority have really been done to death grassy and are really quite boring. Time to stop beating your dead horse and lets move on. The future in Ag looks quite bright from here.

[LWeber]

Math is clearly not your strong point Mr Webber.
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My teachers regularly were on my case for not applying myself in math, so I will give you that.

I thought you were deeper than a simple divide two numbers person; I was mistaken. I should have known better and for that, I apologize.

Pilfering a targeted segment of males within a population when Canada had the highest rural density of all the Allies and then raping wheat profits had dire soci-economic consequences.

I gave you credit for getting past A divided by B and getting to C and possibly D.

My first clue should have been when you lumped collective marketing and capitalism in the same webpage.