canoe on Bill 18

[Tom4Wildrose]

FarmRanger,

You KNOW the answer to that question... the CWB surveys over the past 10 years proved this.

Minister Goodale was a genius at ruling from behind the "iron curtain" for 8 years after he lost power!

We will find out by Christmas if his rule is finally over and we can stop fighting the 2nd world war out here on the prairie!

[ASRG]

parsley:That is a good question.
In the big picture of course it would be great to enshrine property rights in the Charter. That would be really helpful.
My involvement has mostly been at the provincial level in Alberta. In the last few years we have seen a provincial government assault on our property rights that almost boggles the mind! .....why we might even slip further than Saskatchewan! LOL
ASRG is short for Alberta Surface Rights Group.

[parsley]

I'm so pleased there is a pot bubbling. Is there
sister association in Saskatchewan you have
been liasing with? I was in contact with Danielle
Smith fairly often when she was CEO of Property
Rights' Association. That's a decade or so ago.
Grassy, are you an active member of this Alta
association? Pars

[parsley]

I'll toss the property rights issue into a nest of
disarmed politicos if I get a chance on Monday
after the reading of the Speech from the Throne.

KEY WORDS: property rights stir cauldron
trouble witch opening of parliament

[grassfarmer]

Parsley, I'm a member of CAEPLA
http://www.landownerassociation.ca/

[parsley]

Do ASRG and CAEPLA work together yet? Pars

[ASRG]

parsely: We have a very good relationship with CAEPLA. Probably a lot of cross memberships. I am a personal friend of Jim Ness (who is a former board member and their land agent....also....as an aside one of the seven border runners who went to jail for taking wheat across the border!)
Our group has been forced into the role of defending property rights.....our original purpose was to educate and assist landowners with surface leases, pipeline right of ways, and annual surface lease rent...and quite frankly that is what I wish we had stayed at!
The Stelmach government was a disaster for landowners......and we were forced to push back before we didn't have any property rights left.
While Alberta is having problems, it is still a much better situation than what landowners have in Saskatchewan. We do have the "entry fee" of $500/acre and our freehold mineral owners still own the deep mineral rights (Unlike Sask...where the government took them!).
We still have a regulator (ERCB) where you can get a hearing and a Surface Rights board to appeal to on compensation. I'm not really up on Sask. property rights but I think it used to be the Energy minister just made all the decisions and it was tough luck for landowners!
Danielle Smith (Wildrose party) has stated very clearly if elected she will bring in a "Property Protection Act" (based on the APRI-"Alberta Property Rights Initiative" proposal) and work with other provinces toward enshrining property rights within the charter.
Our group is in touch constantly with the Ontario Landowners Association. They are trying to set up a cross country coalition of landowners groups to ensure we have a voice.

[parsley]

Really interesting ASRG, and thanks for the
detailed information. Stelmach was such a
Destructive failure, wasn't he. Pars

[parsley]

Grassy, you said:
"Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the cwb is an agency
that steals from farmers. It's a farmer directed
marketing board. "

Wheat is property
Land is property

Will you lay pretend withe, grassy?

Pretend its not a wheat agency. Pretend it's a
land agency;

Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the Canadian Land
Agency is an agency that steals from farmers. It's
a farmer directed land marketing board.

I would be wild. And get still madder when
Quebec could opt out. And Ontario.

Can you at least relate to the analogy? Pars


Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the cwb is an agency
that steals from farmers. It's a farmer directed
marketing board. If

[parsley]

Grassy, you said:
"Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the cwb is an agency
that steals from farmers. It's a farmer directed
marketing board. "

Wheat is property
Land is property

Will you lay pretend withe, grassy?

Pretend its not a wheat agency. Pretend it's a
land agency;

Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the Canadian Land
Agency is an agency that steals from farmers. It's
a farmer directed land marketing board.

I would be wild. And get still madder when
Quebec could opt out. And Ontario.

Can you at least relate to the analogy? Pars


Where you think I stray from your rails is that I
don't share the view that the cwb is an agency
that steals from farmers. It's a farmer directed
marketing board. If