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    wilargro to show i see boths sides of the argument

    NSW Farmers is exploring the possibility of setting up an east coast grain marketing co-operative similar to Western Australia’s CBH (Co-operative Bulk Handling).
    The move is partly a response to what chairman of NSW Farmers grains committee, Mark Hoskinson, said were “bargain basement” cash prices on offer for Australian Standard White (ASW), Australian Premium White (APW) and feed wheat this harvest.

    It also reflects dissatisfaction among some growers with how the marketing world has changed since the demise of AWB’s single desk bulk wheat export powers in 2008.

    Traders at many storage sites in the south particularly are offering $130 or less a tonne for APW, ASW and feed wheat, though prices for high protein grades such as APH1 (Prime Hard) are relatively buoyant because of concerns about the impact on protein levels from the soft finish to the season.

    “After 10 years of drought and a wet harvest last year this is getting very hard to take,” Mr Hoskinson said.

    He said a preliminary check of world prices suggested the money offered was about $30 a tonne below what farmers should be getting.

    “Traders are factoring in all the risk to be taken by farmers – they are not taking any risk themselves.”

    He said also because of the state of the world credit system, buyers could not get the funding to carry a lot of grain and were buying “hand to mouth”.

    Mr Hoskinson said the situation was a “catch 22” for farmers.

    “They can’t afford to take the prices on offer, yet some are being forced to take it because they need the cash flow.”

    Mr Hoskinson said Canada and some other countries were accusing Australia of dragging world prices down.

    NSW Farmers had started an investigation to establish what prices growers should be receiving, and although there was no formal proposal yet, was looking at setting up a grower co-operative like the CBH model.

    He said the situation called for united action by farmers.

    “If we want to continue growing crops we can’t be dictated to by the trade.”

    He said CBH truly represented growers and drove profit back to them.
    Pools such as those offered by AWB and GrainCorp offer better long term value, with AWB in its latest pool update on November 16 quoting $272/t for APW1 and $259/t for ASW1, for example.
    A spokesman for AWB said that for ASW the pool price, after subtracting freight, storage and handling costs represented about a $35/t premium over cash prices.
    He said pools covered all of eastern Australia and took a longer term view of the market and of movements in the Australian dollar than cash prices.
    However, Rankin Springs grower and NSW Farmers grains committee member Jock Munro said he was concerned that if too much wheat was delivered to pools AWB would close them and open new pools at lower prices.

    #2
    Looks like Jockstrap Munro is back home. For a while he was bouncing around Canada receiving communiques from NFU headquarters and spreading BS about the loss of the AWB single desk.

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      #3
      Grain prices go down during harvest. Not rocket science. They normalize after the combines quit running. Put it in a bin or a pile and quit whining.

      Oh, exception being Canada under the CWB. In the old days of acreage quotas you delivered as much as you could during harvest with no price penalty. Free storage. Worked good in my area with lots of quota and not much grain. Was it right? Well they changed the acreage quota system so I guess not. IMO anyone who will take grain off your hands during harvest will want a commission in the form of a lower price. HT

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        #4
        Best price this year was right off the combine. Wish I had sold more of everything then, instead of thinking that was the low.

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          #5
          I thought the best harvest price was contracted much before harvest. Happytrails has a point Mallee, you guys deliver all your crop to the grain companies at harvest then pay them storage is this true? If so that is your downfall.

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            #6
            malleefarmer: I have always regarded your views and comments as being fair and useful. Nice to see someone with an open mind on these forums...all too often it seems that they become power blocs for suppression of true debate and a vehicle for nastiness and ire.

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              #7
              its the same the world over, those that forget to invest in storage screw the market for everyone!

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                #8
                thanks wilargro point taken and appreciated, my views may differ but i find you quite civil and intelligent.

                Any way the above post i am getting asw apw and h2 what and our prices are far better than nsw our basis is so much stonger,reason being there storage system is still clogged with alot of grain in nsw from last year and train lines still out from last year so up counrty is busting at the seams with last years poor quality wheat and now its happened again.

                Also on my ranch i will sell apw and h2 wheat in time as i think prices will rise as quality wheat may become scarce as another round of storms and rain is forecast for next week.

                My asw will probably sit as it a bit undervalued and may to rise in priceand become a quality wheat if we have ongoing issues.

                Some guys in nsw had 200 mm of rain in three days last week.

                Apparently chinese buyers are active all over australia trying to get farmers to sell in groups or a loosely organized pool for the containerized market and they want to buy direct from farmers there take on it is farmers will be more and they will get it cheaper without the middleman ie cargill awb whoever interesting time.

                a wise old worldly bussiness man once told me 3 people you never do bussiness with russians chinese and your inlaws......

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                  #9
                  Your neighbors are likely dealing with 2 of your 3 never dos. Russia feed wheat is likely down close to $200/tonne - discounted to every other feed grain in the world.

                  Suspect the Chinese will be trotting out this price at their negotiations.

                  Limited volume feed wheat . Our domestic market is hot enough to compete for 3 CWRS (Canada Western Red Spring Wheat) and all our mid quality alternative wheats).

                  In some locations, the domestic feed market is paying better than low protein 1/2 CWRS.

                  Had a very good presentation on the Australian experience of change. Presenter was Geoff Honey - Grain Trade of Australia.

                  My two take away ideas was the slow pace of Australian change and the attempts (ahead of food for oil) to get the business structure, finance and governace right.

                  Second - the differences in Australia regions. Eastern side of Australia has a well developed domestic industry/limited exports. Southern and western Australia - dependent on exports.

                  Farmers react differently depending on their region - thus the inability of Australian farmers to speak with one voice regarding marketing. Something in common with Canada.

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                    #10
                    malleefarmer

                    Taking away from your original post but interesting recent Korean feed
                    wheat business done at about USD $255 to 260/tonne CIF (delivered
                    Korea). You can put in your ocean freight to bring to Australia (one of the
                    participants in the tenders). Canada CWB forecast payments put values at
                    $207/tonne port or $150ish delivered a western Canadian elevator. As
                    indicated, domestic feed wheat prices far higher.

                    Black Sea values $195 to $225/tonne FOB (picked up Black Sea Port).

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                      #11
                      Proverb for the Day

                      Wisdom - characteristics of the wise
                      "a wise man changes his mind, a fool never"

                      Malleefarmer, we had a rep from the AWB spend a weekend at our farm a few years back. As he explained it, the AWB was very different entity than our CWB. he described a fully functioning body with assets, with the concept to glean value from the farm gate to the buyer! Hence the ability for the entity to have shares of value to a commercial entity.

                      It was my thought at the time the AWB as a far better system than our CWB which had zero assets.

                      Holding grain off the market is key to the ability to market grain effectively.
                      It appears the lesson Australian farmers are learning today is one where Canadian farmers have an edge: Build bins.

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                        #12
                        Build as many bins as you want it still has to get
                        into storage and handling system if to be sold to
                        a exporter,they simply do not want the grain on
                        farm.
                        Domestic sales to dairy farms and feedlots
                        piggeries etc agree they want grain on farm
                        precisely what I do,domestic is on farm only.

                        You can store grain as long as you want in inland
                        terminals until you decide to sell,works out
                        cheaper with all your Capitol tied up in storage

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                          #13
                          Interesting to see the Chinese direct buyers in, anyone on the ground have the ability to organize the process to exeucte thd deals and manage the risk?

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                            #14
                            You mean a broker?

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                              #15
                              I was thinking on farm loading of containers perhaps large farmers going direct? Or are the Chinese working with independents like is done in Canada at this time.

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