Chuckchuck an I_F

[TOM4CWB]

FYI

"Canpotex, short for Canadian Potash Exporters (reporting mark PTEX), is a Canadian potash exporting and marketing firm, incorporated in 1970 and operating since 1972.[1] Based in Saskatchewan, Canpotex manages the entire Saskatchewan potash exporting industry (excluding Canadian and US sales), including transportation and delivery.[2] It has been criticized as a "cartel".[3]

Canpotex is the world's largest exporter of potash, selling over nine million tonnes of potash in 2008,[1] representing about one-third of global capacity.[4][5] The global potash market is considered a duopoly between Canpotex and Belarussian Potash Co, a similar consortium which exports Belarussian and Russian potash; the two collectively control 70% of global potash exports.[6]"

"In August 2010, Australian mining giant BHP Billiton announced intentions to acquire PotashCorp, though its bid was blocked by the Canadian government in November 2010 and subsequently withdrawn.[5][7] BHP publicly intended to exit the Canpotex partnership as it prefers to market its minerals itself.[8] As over half of Canpotex's sales volumes ware produced by PotashCorp, both Agrium and Mosaic issued concerns.[5] The Saskatchewan government also issued concerns, citing that the breakup of Canpotex would likely result in lower tax revenues for the government.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canpotex

[oneoff]

And the seed growers and organic producers have kept every extra cent they earned outside the CWB monopoly. And most of those same farmers are amongst the most vocal protecting their entitlements for themselves.
Only when such people see that everyone should have those options , will I ever have more respect for such hypocrites.

[blackpowder]

Shall I now look at chuckchuck & I_F as either benign or malignant?? To be completely ignored or swiftly excised?? They really sound like no more than recorded messages anyway.

[oneoff]

The special treatment that such people wish to preseve solely for themselves; comes at the expense of many others. That is mainly why those persons are concerned; and act as puppets and mouthpieces.
Doesn't it seem odd that a very insignificant part of CWB business (organics and seed growers) should have much influence on everyone else's business?
This thread begins with asking just how chuck et all would be affected. We'll never ever get a straight answer to that legitimate question.

[hobbyfrmr]

Oneoff, not all organic farmers are pro board. There is the cost of buyback when exporting. I think it is less due to some heavy lobbying and much argument by organic producers. I think parsley was part of that help. These buybacks still cost money right out of pocket. There is no "keeping" every cent. There is still a cost when dealing with the CWB. There can be more costs and headaches if you do the buyback and forget to present the export license to customs. One example would be a rail car of organic feed barley being unhooked at the border for $200.00 and then $100.00/day until the export license is presented. By that time, Canada Customs and US customs both want to see the document. Some times it is hard to speak to the same person twice. It can get pretty expensive especially on a Friday at 4 p.m.

[chuckChuck]

Oneoff. What impact do the small volumes of pedigreed and organic grains have on the pool returns for other farms? Almost none because the volumes are very small. Claiming that these "special deals" negatively impact all farmers is silly.

Maybe you don't want to see anybody who works hard growing pedigreed or organic grains get ahead? The increased value of both these markets come from the market itself not any special treatment from the CWB. Are you not an advocate for letting the market decide where value exits?

Further if you are so worried about special treatment for some farms and not others then you are really going to like the open market where the larger farms will cut better deals than the smaller farms on pricing and inputs. And where the railways will play a dominant role in deciding who can offer better prices based on their service level or lack of service to small grain companies.

Since you are an open market advocate, I doubt that you are really concerned about fairness otherwise you would be more concerned about the loss of the CWB and the ability of farmers to have some impact on rail allocation, producers cars, and the marketing of their grain within the CWB.

If you think that somehow the grain marketing world is going to be more fair without the farmer run CWB you are living in a fantasy world.

Several generations of farmers and various Conservative and Liberal Governments supported the CWB over the years. Do you think they suppported it because they were all socialists?

Politically times have changed and so have rural communities. It is all about taking care of our own self interests first and who the hell cares about what happens to the other guy or our communities. Working together to improve our communities and share the bounty of our land is a thing of the past.

The new mantra is I love money and greed is good.

[TOM4CWB]

Chuck,

You are one to talk about money and greed.

Freedom and respect, personal responsibility and dignity, all these trademarks of a democratic and free society... you despise with the 'single desk' brush that does/did the exact opposite of your claim.

I know... DON'T FEED the TROLL!!!

[blackpowder]

Maintaining a productive economy is also necessary for a strong community.
Canadas' productivity ratings are slipping over time. We have a choice every day in this country to always seek better, or to fail like Europe who made sure no one rose any higher in the muck than the next.
The greatest individual philanthropists were/are wealthy industrialists etc. Chuck, your 'equal or dead' politics are outdated worldwide.