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[grassfarmer]

fjlip,
"If prices are set as in our supply management, the consumers, 98% of the population, are very ticked off with prices"
Really? I can't remember ever hearing a consumer complaint issue on the price of milk, eggs or chicken. Certainly nothing that ever made a news headline. If by some chance you guys get the wheat prices you dream of and the price of bread goes through the roof what'll you say then about "ticked off consumers"?
Do you think the average consumer will differentiate between a perceived high price in the store as a result of supply management or as a result of your "marketing freedom"?

[$short]

The markets set the price.

If demand exceeds supply the price goes up.

If supply exceeds demand the price will drop.

This rule works with everything that is bought and sold in the world. It isnt just wheat

[fjlip]

Just going by this thread...
https://www.agriville.com/cgi-bin/forums/viewThread.cgi?1322840947

and link to...
http://freeyourmilk.ca/petition.asp

Reasons for consumer revolt...
http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/pps/53/PPS52-milk.pdf

[grassfarmer]

Ah, so it was a few revolting Agriville participants that are out for cheaper milk.
From your 3rd cut'n'paste

"The retail price of milk in Canada has gone from being roughly the same as in the US in 1980 to being 34 percent higher in 1991 and to 6 percent higher in 2000. The major reason for the change is the depreciation of the Canadian dollar."

Oops, guess you maybe can't blame supply management.

You never answered my question about a possible consumer revolt over higher wheat and bread prices.

[checking]

The message to all is that the farmgate raw product price of wheat could double, and double again and it would mean penny increases to shelf food items. Nothing to get too exited about to cause a revolt against that sector.

Stay on that message.

[wmoebis]

Approx:

1-bus of WHT = 100 loaves of bread

1-bus of barley = 300 bottles of beer

[grassfarmer]

checking, sure farmgate prices are only a fraction of store prices on most commodities. Doesn't mean if wheat prices doubled that bakers or retailers would swallow the loss. Equally they can up the price in the store tomorrow without passing it back to the producer. Same happens to beef and to chicken and to milk.
Actually if I remember right the 4 packs of bread we buy jumped from $3.99 to about $5.50 back in 08 was it when stories of food shortage hit the news and the price never came back down.

[fjlip]

Fraser Institute was dated 2001.
In 2000 US/L milk was $0.92USD.
Can/L milk was $1.45CND.
The present near parity of dollars means we pay 63% more for milk than the US and double world prices.
We pay 145% more for cheese than US.
Butter oil does not count as dairy, is imported from US keeping our butter cheaper.
Quota costs are the problem.

[TOM4CWB]

Grassfarmer,

"Do you think the average consumer will differentiate between a perceived high price in the store as a result of supply management or as a result of your "marketing freedom"?"

WOW. Now you (and consumers by extension) will blame higher food costs on the lack of the CWB 'single desk' holding down livestock feed values.... in turn keeping down the cost of livestock products.

Sooo... now you trot out the justification of the CWB 'single desk' was really for cheap food... and that there will be a consumer revolt if we receive market value for our 'Board Grains'.

WOW..."Commodity The Naughty and Nice" I will go look for a lump of coal in my stocking... and put it in the stove to keep warm!!!

Strange... I have not heard that pulses... Canola oil... Corn... soybeans...
Any of the 'nonboard open market' grains have be the subject of this consumer revolt you speak of.

Although Food Companies have made the case that ethanol has created more demand/competition... for human consumption food products...increasing the cost.

Actually this sounds like a 'slick' novel plan (to justify)the increased the costs of their food products...

But, in fact, the energy security issue in the US has a higher cost to those consumers... at ($4 minus $13/gallon ) = $9/gal... I heard quoted yesterday. US consumers clearly know that food costs are 'low' because the US exports much, 30-50percent, of its grains... NOW.

NOT SO WITH OIL/Energy. They import 30-50percent.

Two wrongs do not make the 'CWB single desk' Right Grassfarmer.

Perhaps you will find a nice delicious Cinnamon roll in your Agriville stocking this morning from Santa...?

Ho Ho Ho...

Merry Christmas!

[grassfarmer]

TOM, It wasn't me that introduced the idea of a consumer revolt over high food prices it was fjlip. I was telling him/her the idea of a revolt on milk prices is bogus as it just isn't happening.
The question I asked (which fjlip is dodging) had nothing to do with the CWB. I could equally have used the price of canola oil. I believe the vast majority of consumers have not enough interest or knowledge to differentiate between a higher price due to supply management or other factors.
Now tell the consumer there is a health concern with their products and that's a different matter - they are all ears.
Price - not a big deal for the vast majority of Canadian shoppers - milk and dairy products are a staple in the diet and most see them that way and pay the price asked willingly.