How is the Stabilization payment coming?

[Hopperbin]

I have not heard nothing yet for the 2010 crop year so will phone in the new year what is happenning. F*** off if you have nothing coming and just want to bitch.

[freewheat]

You mean agrivation?

[parsley]

Stabilization is a costly ag welfare program that
should be terminated.
I couldn't resist your warm invitation to comment.
Pars

[checking]

Agree.

Sounds like somebody spent too much of their budget the last two Xmas.

[oneoff]

Agreed. Your attitude is irreprehensible hopper. Can't stand those who put themselves first, second and third.

[freewheat]

Any how to the topic at hand,

I have yet to hear from them yet. They had as of Dec. 15th not opened my information. For those of us who grew no crop for 3 out of 5 years, any payment will be a godsend. A big hole was dug in those years, and if the program is available I will try for it.

On the other hand, I am not a big believer in subsidies. I think they could weed out the non-necessary claims from the farm saving ones, due to unreal circumstances.

I know that may be hard for some on here to understand, who have had good fortune to grow decent crops in these years of record prices, but for some of us, it has been a nightmare, watching those three years, as guys from out of the wet areas complained about 20 inches of rain, while we had 40, and now talk that some of us who may need a hand up, due to unreal circumstances, should not get any assistance. We aren't all 50 years old with 10 good years in a row. we didn't all inherit land, or come into a well set up operation with free daddy labour, a wife that pulls in 60 g's a year, etc.

I hate subsidies, but in some instances where for a 6 year stretch, entire areas are wiped out from growing crops at record prices, I think if the program triggers, there are some who could sure as heck use any money that comes available. especially in areas that typically grow excellent crops, and contribute to those areas that usually grow less..

Just a few cents, no harm meant, but if I could get what I think I should receive, I will be grateful and it will help me catch up with at least 5% of what I have lost these last 6 or 7 years due to WAY too much rain. Not just a measly 20 inches!

[farmaholic]

Someone once talked about entitlement on this website.

Farming is an interesting business.

When we have the power to sell our product for a "set" margin above cost of production that allows for absolute self sustainability, then I will turn my nose up at subsidies. Totally impossible with all the variables in farming.

If it is so lucrative, buy a farm and have at it.

[grassfarmer]

"When we have the power to sell our product for
a "set" margin above cost of production that
allows for absolute self sustainability, then I will
turn my nose up at subsidies. Totally impossible
with all the variables in farming."

No - it works exactly like that in the supply
managed dairy sector. Maybe reflect on that
before trying to get rid of SM.

[Braveheart]

I don't like subsidies as they encourage people to keep the same behaviour, even if those actions aren't working or the decisions are bad. But for people who find themselves in Freewheat's postion some effective form of safetynet is needed. Sounds like I'm half pregnant right?

What really irks me about the suite of programs in the last decades is how a whole new service industry has sprung up to administer them. The "Farm Programs Delivery Industry" eats up so much of the program's budget in administration costs it's shocking. I think it's often more half. Sure there is lots of employment created, but when the adminstration industry gets a bigger share of the budget than farmers there's something wrong.

[Braveheart]

Sorry Hopper, I have nothing coming. I just wanted to bitch.

[farmaholic]

grassfarmer: I think alot of businesses that supply goods and services have built in margins. I guess my point is there are alot of things that can (and do) go wrong, and a general lack of control. There are many who wouldn't have the balls to deal with the amount of risk Ag people do. I've said in the past that our Government(and hopefully society) must see value in our industry to attempt to support it.

[oneoff]

As long as you stay consistant with how you rationalize welfare cheques, charity, subsidies, corporate handouts and dishing out taxpayer money. But if that same farmer recipient scorns the pan handler, single parent, unfortunate beggar, homeless, unlucky individual that sure could use a handout; then you tell me why a farmer is any different than the above.
It should all boil down to being at the mercy of the benevalence of the payor; and not thinking you deserve and have the right to pick your entitlements..

[farmaholic]

Welome to socialism--Canada's political system.

[Hopperbin]

Obviously I stepped on the tyranisaurus's egg. This is what I have been conserned about ever since such a large flooded agreage last year. Is the program going to pay out? Its easy to figure out when doing the 2010 taxes its all in front of us if we know there is a payment or not. As for me my crops pryor were not stellar anyways so I am not part of the group getting the million dollar payments. Sometimes I wonder of the neighbours as they purchasing all this new machinery.

[Hopperbin]

And I see Parsley stepping into the altimate fighting ring with sunglasses on yelling best day ever. LOL