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    Phosphate use

    I am considering reducing my phosphate rate this year, just wondering how many others are considering the same. Phos is one nutrient that can be cut depending on past use and soil needs. Last year I had a quarter section of extra phos left over cause my drill had a misshap twice so no phos put on one quarter in 2 80 acre parcels, there was absolutely no visible crop deficiency, yield monitor also showed no yield loss. A 25 percent cut by a lot of farmers would send Mosaic a message. As far as Potash Corps announced one month shut down at the Allan Potash mine all that is is a past due maintenance shut down They are trying to say it is to curb supply.

    Week old news about phosphate

    Analysis: Mosaic may have won skirmish in fertilizer warsBy Euan Rocha and Rod Nickel

    TORONTO/WINNIPEG (Reuters) - Mosaic, a leading North American fertilizer producer, may have won the battle to arrest a plunge in phosphate prices ahead the region's spring planting season, but it still risks losing the war as overseas capacity surges in the coming years.

    Production cuts announced on Wednesday by Plymouth, Minnesota-based Mosaic (MOS) account for only about 12 percent of its quarterly phosphate production capacity and a small fraction of global capacity.

    Even so, the move could help tighten markets before dealers begin to restock inventories ahead of North America's spring planting season.

    "What you've got is very, very, very little spring buying," said Dahlman Rose & Co analyst Charles Neivert, adding that dealers are holding off buying phosphate fertilizer in anticipation of lower prices.

    "Mosaic's move certainly improves the chances of getting a little bit better pricing and we certainly expect pricing to go up into the spring," he added.

    Even as the price of widely used diammonium phosphate, or DAP, adjusts to this season's market dynamics, the long-term trend is undeniably bullish. Growing demand for high-quality food in emerging economies is expected to keep demand for all three major crop nutrients - nitrogen, phosphate and potash - rising over the coming decades.

    For that reason, producers are scrambling to add capacity and that could hurt Mosaic and its North American rivals - Potash Corp POT.TO (POT) and CF Industries (CF) - over the medium term, even if phosphate pricing strengthens ahead of spring plantings.

    Pricing over the next three years could come under pressure as production from the huge Ma'aden phosphate project in Saudi Arabia ramps up. On top of that, Morocco's state-owned OCP, the world's largest phosphate rock miner, is expanding both its phosphate rock and finished fertilizer production capacity.

    In a recent note to clients, Lazard Capital analyst Edlain Rodriguez warned that capacity creep from Ma'aden, along with rising raw material costs, could keep both DAP prices and profit margins in check.

    "We see limited upside in near-term prices as Ma'aden ramps up production in 2012 and 2013, with production increasing from 400,000 tons in 2011 to nearly 2 million tons in 2012," he said.

    To be sure, analysts believe DAP prices won't collapse under the weight of the extra capacity, as global demand for the fertilizer is still growing at a steady pace.

    "Average DAP pricing will probably decline, because you are going to have that much more DAP in the market, but I don't think Ma'aden is going to be massively interfering. I don't think it's going to be a crusher for DAP markets," said Neivert.

    CORN PRICES DRIVE DEMAND

    For the time being, corn prices, a crucial driver of crop nutrient demand in North America, may aid Mosaic's cause. Prices had dipped below $6 a bushel in recent weeks, but weather-related concerns have pushed prices back above the $6 mark over the last two weeks.

    "It's all about the corn price," said Ticonderoga Securities analyst Mark Gulley. "The corn price drives both equity prices and fertilizer selling prices."

    Dealers have also stayed on the sidelines because they are wary of placing orders at higher prices, as many of them had to book huge writedowns on inventories the last time DAP prices collapsed during the economic meltdown in 2008, said David Dow, owner of Dow Fertilizers, a dealer near Edmonton, Alberta.

    "My first knee-jerk reaction is they're just doing this to keep prices up," said Dow. "I'd be surprised if the price didn't go up."

    U.S. DOLLAR IMPACT

    Mosaic's move, while modest, should be all that's needed to support prices, analysts say. As a result, Potash Corp and CF Industries are unlikely to make similar cuts.

    "I don't think you'll see much," said Neivert. "You'll probably see modest curtailments by others, but they won't say anything about it because they won't be material enough to make an announcement about."

    A strong dollar may prove a more significant hurdle for U.S. and Canadian fertilizer producers, says independent analyst Chris Damas. Their products would become less competitive in overseas markets if an escalation of the euro zone's sovereign debt crisis pushes up the greenback.

    "A strong U.S. dollar could hurt North American fertilizer exports over the coming year, as the currencies of key emerging markets like India and Brazil have weakened, making it harder for farmers in those markets to afford high-priced fertilizers," he said.

    (Additional reporting by Thomas Polansek and Ernest Scheyder; Editing by Frank McGurty)

    #2
    Rigas Karamonis had a presentation, where his data more or less said just over 20 pounds actual gave the best results under most situations. Like insurance, reduced rates may work most of the time. My advice, don't leave a check strip and you will not be disapointed!

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      #3
      jcv,

      Dr. Ross MaKenzie in ALberta has done the same work... intensive testing... 20 actual pounds of P205 of 'Normal' sources... in anywhere near 'Normal' crop situations... is the best economic return.

      If someone had irrigation and/or a really special crop of high value... more could be proven beneficial.

      The old standby of 2n for 1p still does give a very sound base to grow field crops on... year in and year out!

      Hard to change old habits.

      Some tests in our area have shown the specialty P products... that some folks claim are 'more easily absorbed' by the crops we grow... can change this formula... with less application of higher available P sources.

      Agronomists are all over the map on this issue... usually backing the particular product they are selling... or who backs their research projects!

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        #4
        I agree completely! Kinda like canola seed, you could find a trial where the variety you want to sell, is the highest yielder! On the flip side, I have seen guys reducing sulpher on canola, again some times not noticeable, then a soil test comes back and sulpher shows up limiting for wheat. Even with the "better" phosphate products, the value year in yearout for a "minimum response" has been tried.

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          #5
          when i took over this farm, some areas were as low as 3 parts per million P.
          k was off scale.
          it was let out year to year before that, so no one put on any p or k.
          now i have brought it up to reasonable level, landlord wants it back.

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            #6
            I'm not a good farmer or agrologist but a while back i
            heard a guy talking and he said something like-

            "max out your nitrogen,max out your weed
            control,max out your disease control"

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              #7
              I guess to sum it up, we may be able to reduce rates, but only until it becomes the limiting factor. With phosphate, it is probobly somewhat environmentally determined. When thinking of reduced rates, we should be sure to account for N reduction, in MAP about 10% is an N contribution ( 11-52-0). Even more of a factor in 21-0-0-24. Something not always considered. Even 3 pounds of seed placed in is worth a couple of dollars!

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                #8
                Jcv,

                Phos placed with the seed or in a band does not move... unless there is massive soil erosion.

                Broadcast surface applications of manure are the most responsible for P water contamination. Injection or side banding virtually eliminates this in a zero till continuous crop system.

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                  #9
                  Guess cannot say cannot aford it was hoping for some insight on the future price prospects. With Ma'aden and other large production coming online could be an oportunity to reduce rates this year and start adding more following years if a price drop coming, big if as world demand for food and biofuel is also increasing. As unused phosphate is not lost but still in the soil. Wonder if putting it with the anhydrous could also make it more availlable in the year of application.

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                    #10
                    Tom4CWB,

                    Agreed phos doesn't move far, that is why 20 lbs would reflect seed placed, N and sulpher are considered mobile, as wellas cl from potash. Seed placed P has always been the goal, broadcast P would require at least twice the amount. I don't know anyone broadcasting P except perhaps alfalfa production.

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                      #11
                      i'm gonna tell the neighbours that we'll
                      be cutting back on phosphate, butt in
                      reality wes goonna use lots and lottsa it.
                      it'll realy confuse them, seen our good
                      crop, then they;'ll wanna sell er rent ta
                      the good framer, next door. Whatdaya tink
                      aboot this fer a plannnnnnn?

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                        #12
                        I don't know how, or want to respond.
                        To be honest not sure what you mean. At least some of your pro wheatboard posts make some sense. If you buy fertilizer like you seem to market, I wish I sold you fertilizer! and bought your wheat! I do neither.

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