Enbridge Northern Gateway Project

[wilagro]

You guys/gals have to be kidding. This lousy pipeline to the west coast will be another way to waste more of OUR energy which should stay in Canada. All of the natural gas and fresh water used in one year to refine that gunk would supply an average city in Canada with ALL of their natural gas and water for years to come.

We will have more foul waste-water lagoons and contaminated sand piles for little return as the royalties accruing to Alberta will be peanuts. Most of the profit will go to American owned companies. Don't forget that this bitumen is ALL produced with federal and provincial special tax concessions and is very expensive to extract. WE will all subsidize this project as we have done all along for all the present ones operating.

Let the Chinese buy their oil from the far east...its closer for them and far better oil as well.

[parsley]

What dreadful nonsense, wil.

Whether you like it or not, or admit it or not, oil
drives our economy; oil provides us with a
standard of living unparalleled in this universe; oil
is our home-owned resource; oil is plentiful; oil is
the basis of operating all our farming equipment;
oil provides jobs for our families; oil built its'
Canadian infrastructure; oil is cheap; oil is being
researched.

Unlike Your last comment, I've noted some of
your other posts have threads of reason in them.
It's too bad you havent gone stark raving crazy,
because it must be dreadful to lead your kind of
life. Lol. Parsley

[Burbert]

I thought if was organic framing that
drives our economy. The cwb was holdin
Comedia back. Now its goon, the sky's
the limit. Disheartening to hear that
the oilies are the drivers of Comedia,
now. What'll it be next, sled dog
racin, that drives the economy.
Comedians after all, are huers a wood,
and drawers a water, always was and
always will be. NAFTA confirmed
Comedia's role on the world seen, some
timeago.........

[wilagro]

parsley: Perhaps you should fly over the tarsands extraction region and see with your own eyes what they are doing up there. Perhaps you should see our three year deficit in Helberta and see how WE have benefited from the oil extraction.

I have received over $8000.00 in the past six years from seismic activity alone on my farm...THAT is the only benefit that I have seen. The province must be run by idiots because it doesn't seem to be benefiting much or else the money is wasted on excursions to the USA trying to get them to take more of our crappy oil and letting us build even more pipelines. WE already export millions of barrels of oil to the USA every month as it is. Show me how the money is helping Albertans to any great extent and I will quit bitchin'...otherwise leave the bloody oil in the sand.

[parsley]

#1 One benefit I have been told about is jobs.
Granted, I took them at their word. I know so
many people employed and getting super wages.
The ones I know, are actually receiving cheques
that cash. Are people getting paid? If they are,
would you sooner have them laid off, and
unemployed? Pars

[wilagro]

Don't ask loaded questions. Of course I want employment for people. Getting fair return for our resources matters too. Practically giving this black gold away is stupid. Even your Premier lured some of our oil money into Saskatchewan with your LOW royalty rates as Saskatchewan wants to give the oil companies a bonus before they even start producing oil. I think if I lived in Saskatchewan I'd be watching what is going on there...things are very quiet with the government that you have...too quiet.

[parsley]

#2 Royalties. Do Oilsands pay royalties of any
kind to the Alberta provincial gov't ? What is the
%? how much is the total amount of royalty
money is deposited In the provincial purse?
$Zero dollars? $1M? Would the you prefer the
Alta coffers get $zero money from natural
resources ,and should entirely keep out oil,
ammolite miners, and coal miners et al? What is
your expectation? Pars.

[parsley]

You asked about benefits, wil I see benefits. You
don't see/appreciate the same benefits I see!

[Hopperbin]

Ya crap me and dad joked once Sask is the best kept secret. Although we are on much different wavelengths, Cheap living. Most of the class moved to Alberta or BC to get a job LOL. Actually been happenning for near a hundred years. Will a lot of these guys are in a 40 percent plus tax bracket. And a lot of the tax exemptions and credits you talk of are for environmental reasons. Also there is a requirement to reclaim these open pit mines.

[bduke]

Gung Hay Fat Choy Parsley et al.... Happy Chinese New Year

While today is the Chinese New Year, Feb 04/12 is the first of the Astrology year.

2012 is the year of the dragon, and the dragon is the only animal in the Chinese
Zodiac that isn't real.

Happens to be a most revered sign to be born under, powerful & persuasive
with a soft spot. An omen perhaps? Not for enviros.. i.e. no soft spot!

I like your idea to write to the Review Panel regarding the pipeline and its effects.

When thinking pipelines, my interest was sparked today by a suggestion that
most of the developed society lives above a pipeline... the sewers.

Hopefully foreigners will flood San Francisco's next urban expansion hearing,
and demand no pipelines.. for enviro reasons.

Argue they must install outhouses and use vacuum trucks.

Water is the most precious resource and by not piping waste, people will be
much more conserving and cognizant of their habits.

The likelihood of leaks and groundwater contamination must be reduced...
as in oil transportation.

If it reduces housing developments, saving trees, maintaining food bearing soil,
and lessens the need for pavement. All beneficial and green.

Quid Pro Quo with oil piping.

BTW I read the Pembina Insitutes's Report released 4 days ago.

This review will be drawn out. I feel sorry for Pat Daniel, the CEO of Enbridge.

We should also be reminding the Panel of the Foreign Enviro funding the
many interveners receive.

I amazed how a "made in Canada" energy policy can be funded by foreign
largess.

Kermit is wrong... Being Green isn't so tough in Canada!

Cheers... Bill

[wilagro]

Hopperbin: How on earth do you reclaim those lagoons or "ponds" as the oil people like to call them? They are filled with poisonous compounds...the water can evaporate from them but the poisons are left behind. As far as I know other than some "leaky" lagoons, none have been reclaimed or salvaged or dealt with in any satisfactory manner. The oil companies just create new and deeper ones to hold the effluent.

[Hopperbin]

I have not seen them feel free to enlighten me. Are they not lined?

[Hopperbin]

Were them poisonous compounds not there origionally? Did they come from space?

[wilagro]

parsley: Of course the AB government gets some royalties but they are different for some production than others. Its a hodgepodge and the public is kept in the dark for the most part. One Premier tried to increase the royalties and then got shot down for that and had to backtrack. Much of this info is confidential or not available so it takes the opposition parties or some fact finding body like the Pembina Institute to dig it up and publish it.

[wilagro]

Hopperbin: Your best bet is to google for more info...I'm not a Professor.
All petroleum products and indeed even some water contains poisonous elements dissolved from the earth in which they are found. You know this as some parts of Saskatchewan have groundwater containing so much arsenic as to be unusable by people or livestock.