re: NFU previous post

[stubblejumper]

The western wheat and barley growers have no relivence with the majority of producers either.

[jackspratwhynot]

Its totally unfair and untrue to write "They all sit back and complain until they get their way and a cheap handout... "
It is true that anyone placed in that category has been deliberately placed there using every cheap trick to marginalize their solutions and ideas.
"They" are resourceful; "they" are an obvious pain in the neck; as well as a necessary thorn in the side for democracy. "They" are not a majority; and "they" certainly do not sit back and "they" do not force you by unlawful means to do anything.
Forced into a choice between "they" and "you"; and given a fair fight; I'd have no difficulty deciding who to cheer for; and always support in my own ways.
And that is why you would have them silenced; ostracized; tarred and feathered or exterminated.

[grassfarmer]

OK profarmer I'd like you to drop the shallow
ideology and name calling for a minute and do
some thinking. You claim the NFU are "people
who have no vision except to live off the hard
work of the majority of Canadians... They all sit
back and complain until they get their way and a
cheap handout..."

So maybe you would like to justify that in
relation to their stance opposing Bill 50 in
Alberta. Bill 50 if you don't know is the
legislation that allows a power line system to be
built entirely at domestic consumer expense, for
the export of power to the US, with the
Government guaranteeing the operator a 9%
return on investment.
Just think about that for a minute in farm terms
- a Government plan to buy new entrants their
farmland, machinery, animals and buildings and
on top of that guarantee them a 9% return on
their investment all paid for by the taxpayers in
this province.
So which side are you on with Bill 50? the NFUs?

OR

"the people who have no vision except to live off
the hard work of the majority of Canadians...
They all sit back and complain until they get
their way and a cheap handout..."

[jackspratwhynot]

Losers always know when they have met their match. Its not so easy for them to publically admit it.

[Burbert]

The NFU is a calm voice of reason in a
hostile Angribusiness world. The NFU
has championed many farm related issues
and causes for many years in Canada. If
the NFU thinks something is a good idea,
the gobermont immediately assumes the
totally opposite position, accusing the
NFU of being a pinko socialist communist
organization. It is amazing however,
that the current gobermont of Comedia is
soooooo intent on buildin pipeline(s)
sooooos it can deal with communist China
and give away our oil! It MUST be
because the NFU would want us to develop
the resource here in Comedia!!!

[blackpowder]

stubblejumper. I agree most farmers are not members of anything. But which organizations did a lot towards a change that affects a fair number of farmers??
I'm not suggesting you rethink your vision statement. But it might be a good idea.
Is the CWB or GMO a sword you're willing to fall on?? How much of your support comes from outside the industry?
It seems you define ideology and you're also heavily political. It would also appear only your choir is listening.
It's possible the pendulum will swing back as far as bolshevism at some point in human future. But in the mean time your trying to be heard and make a difference as an anachronism.

[jackspratwhynot]

Very, very well put ...powder. And your observations may well apply to all factions involved in every disagreement.

[NoF---Use]

http://www.betterfarming.com/online-news/ban-
sow-stalls-says-nfu-4939

The NFU firmly aligns itself alongside PETA and
Greenpeace. Next they'll be trying to ban tiestall dairy
barns. Guess which farmers these policies hurt most?
That's right, the small ones who are stuck in old barns
and can't cashflow new ones. But those aren't the
farmers NFU is looking out for either, they represent
the lunatic fringe.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro/Burbert:

Being a positive optimistic based group is key to leadership.

I see the Farmers Union therefore as a non-union/non-cooperative dissenting view. Please review you Branding... it has very negative messages and therefore is irrelevant to the vast majority of farmers in Canada.

Just a thought.

Cheers

[jackspratwhynot]

And leadership can be, and is often an apologist front for collaborators; lobbyists; faceless big business and cowards who wish to remain anonymous.

[TOM4CWB]

Jack,

Now that was a cup half empty!

Cheers!

[grassfarmer]

So Tom do you and the majority of your friends on
the commodity forum here still believe that Alberta
Bills 19,24, 36 and 50 are a product of positive and
optimistic leadership or by your in-action/lack of
interest do you consider them negative and therefor irrelevant to the vast majority of farmers?

[blackpowder]

Your intention is admirable. Your passion is enviable.
Some of your positions and alliances and actions cost you all of your credibility!
We need you. Yet your hell-bent on self-imposed exile.
If we made the labor unions and die-hard hippies happy, you wouldn't like the consequences either I'm afraid.
Trying to help here but, "each man has his own life".

[blackpowder]

I've stated before I do not support the power line grab or the people that wrote it. But it would appear your entire org. needs a rethink.
Honestly, defending property rights out one side of the mouth and risking them out the other. I'm not lunatic right. Shed your lunatic left.

[TOM4CWB]

grassy;

"I've stated before I do not support the power line grab or the people that wrote it. But it would appear your entire org. needs a rethink.
Honestly, defending property rights out one side of the mouth and risking them out the other. I'm not lunatic right. Shed your lunatic left."

Ditto.

And you already knew it.

Property Rights and Common Law have ALLWAYS been important...

Hence the need to remove the CWB 'Monopoly'.

Freedom to Choose... always means an increased opportunity... and the risk a poor decision means a fast learning experience... to correct the loss in future opportunities.

I haven't been able to figure you out Grassy... the double speak is confusing! PC AB Bills 19-36-50 need to be recinded. Central Planning of this scale makes B.C. NDP land planning bills past decades ago... look like childs play.