Farmers Hauling Grain to the US

[needham]

We sure don't hear much at all about not be alowed to haul grain to the accross border elevators do we. WELL THE ANSWER TO THAT IS WE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. THE US FARM WILL STOP IT AT THE BORDER!!!

[wauchope]

what commodities are you yelling about ?

[FarmRanger]

<i>"THE US FARM WILL STOP IT AT THE BORDER!!! "</i>

That lie isn't going to work anymore, assuming anyone believed it in the first place. Canadian plated trucks shipped 11 loads off my farm to Montana last week. No problems. No protest... and next year no CWB taking their cut.

[bucket]

I have been comparing US and Canadian prices for new crop. I don't see why a farmer would haul to the US other than the distance to the elevator.Convience in other words.

Hopefully the industry will find a North American solution to moving grain and move to make the whole system more efficient.

Also, did the MGEX just announce the allowance for canadian grain to fill contracts?

I am not sure the US farmers can stop the traffic, and why would they if the prices end up better in Canada would canadian farmers stop them the same way.

[needham]

Elevators along the first 100 or so miles have already said the Canadian trucks with Wheat and Durum get to the back of the line up, and in one case a farmer with wheat was told to leave when his truck was still able to. We farm mostly in Manitoba, but have some interests in North Dakota and know and see the facts, The same has happened to farms out west also.

[blackpowder]

So, the Dark side of the Force is also going to stop US plated trucks going south?? Rail cars?? Building of facilities just south of the line??
Are you commenting on the growing pains of this change? Or screaming "I told you so!?

[SASKFARMER3]

need a vacation. Please take one fear is
over. Price in Canada is same so F$%K
them. We ship Canola for years down to
Velva, Yea thats in ND. Never a problem
never anything at all. So have a good day
and come up with another thing to bitch
about.

[TOM4CWB]

needham,

I would be VERY suspicious of the grain buyer setting up deliveries if they properly booked a truck in to hit a brick wall and problems after driving many miles. Something does not add up.

Schedules are made and good communication is key to a smooth delivery... and that does not matter which side of the 49th you deliver grain on!

[redbaron]

Needham - I do not follow your reasoning here at
all. You say you farm in southern MB and North
Dakota. Then you should also be aware of all those
American trucks that have been bringing U.S. canola
to Altona for years. maybe not this year but other
years when there was a surplus of canola. Do you
not think that it might have had an impact on our
prices. Yet that is trade. Have we told the trucks to
go home or the back of the line? What about all the
American soybean meal and corn that comes to the
feedmills in south eastern MB. We are talking
hundreds of loads a day. Also MB soybeans heading
south with MB plates on them. The hundreds of
loads of potash that are moving from southern MB
right now south. If that attitude is taking place at
some of the US delivery points as you describe.
Then the american farmer needs to be educated -
who the biggest losers would be if we shut down
the border to ag commodity trade. Right now our
commodities are a small dribble compared to the
tidal wave that comes across every day. As for
wheat. I am sure our grain companies will do their
best to keep the business on the north side.

[needham]

Most are missing the point I am refering to wheat only. The American farmer can control just about anything they want though. The politicions in the US listen to agriculture or they will be pushed out. Farmers stand together and stick together. Take it from experience of 50 years. The North Dakota farmer thought the Wheat Board was the best thing ever and would like to have it and when it couldn't be done they wanted the CWR taken away from the Canadian farmer, that is why we were doing most of our farming in Canada. The American farmer didn't objrct to rail movement nearly as much. Now I had learned a very high price for land has been paid in Sask. along the 49 for a large grain terminal that has a US line running into Sask.

[TOM4CWB]

needham,

We can make the CWB a partner to Harvest States/CHS and then have a co-operative marketer in the integrated global market. CHS Inc. would be a perfect partner for western Canadian grain growers.

"Grains

CHS is a global leader in efficiently moving, processing and marketing the highest quality grains and grain-based products. While much of this is produced completely by CHS, our business ventures with internationally-known partner organizations allow us to offer even more of the quality products and special services today’s consumers demand.

As an integrated foods system, CHS reaps the benefits that only a value-added food chain can provide. A national core of growers means an uninterrupted supply of the finest crops available. A closely coordinated storage and transportation network ensures timely and cost-efficient delivery for the freshest possible food products.

CHS is a major force in the grain business that includes a closely integrated network of elevators, marketing offices and export terminals serving customers everywhere. We are a leading oilseed crusher and refiner, and are the world's largest confection sunflower processor. We are also a partner in Horizon Milling, North America’s largest wheat milling business"

https://www.chsinc.com/portal/server.pt/community/4grains/361

Then we could buy farm inputs as an alternative from CHS.

[jamesb]

As long as the Canadian grain buyers step up the the plate in offering a price similar to the elevators in northern North Dakota and Montana their will not be a huge push to move wheat into the US. For all the other non CWB crops prices were very similar on both sides of the border for the most part. As was posted earlier Canola is going into the US from Canada to ADM Velva and US canola is coming up to Bunge Altona. Peas come up to Canadian plants. Race horse oats goes south.
Any one that has shipped grain south knows a farmer can't just load up and head south.
Broker papers, FDA paper, Dept of Homeland Security, Prior notice of arrival, PAPS number, etc, etc
Its staight forward to do this but not that simple.

[wauchope]

so according to you ' Needham ' canadians are delivering wheat to north dakota?

I thought the CWB still enslaved us till Aug 1 2012 and before that date it would still be illegal ,besides they would need an export certificate from the CWB as well.
somehow I don't believe a word you have typed

[TOM4CWB]

wauchope,

With the amount of volitility in the market we have seen... some folks may have a buyback that would work.

Interesting to hear a report on this... as the basis drops and the hedges are in the money now. Some will gladly ship south... to open up opportunity for future years!

Market development...

[hobbyfrmr]

Jamesb you are correct. It's not a simple process
as you describe, but it is not impossible. Do not
forget your documents.