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    Calgary Herald

    In Greece, citizens can, on average, retire with a full
    government pension at the age of 58. In Germany,
    the citizens expected to help bail out the bankrupt
    Greeks must work until the age of 67 before they can
    retire.

    Naturally, German citizens are wondering how this
    can be considered fair. Why should they have to work
    nine years longer so Greek citizens can live a life of
    leisure?

    What's more, in Germany, most working people pay
    taxes. In Greece,
    only 20 per cent pay taxes. Again, unfair.

    And yet equalization between "have" European Union
    states and "have not" European Union states
    continues, even though it's not making things equal -
    - it's rewarding laziness, leisure and possibly even
    criminal tax evasion. Why pay taxes if some hard-
    working Germans will do it for you? Thus the riots in
    Greece. They believe they are entitled to those
    entitlements.

    Dysfunctional? You bet. We Canadians would never
    stand for such a thing. Right? Think again.

    Equalization in Canada was established to ensure that
    "have-not" regions could enjoy the same programs as
    "have" regions and most Canadians wouldn't quibble
    with that. But that has not happened. In fact, the
    reverse has occurred. The have provinces have fewer
    services than the have-nots.

    In Quebec -- which opted out of the Canada Pension
    Plan and administers its own pension plan -- citizens
    can retire with a full pension at age 62. In the rest of
    Canada, the age contributors can receive full benefits
    is 65.

    In light of the fact that Quebec received $8.6 billion in
    equalization payments in 2010-11 out of a total
    equalization pot of $14.4 billion, it's safe to say that
    citizens in Canada's "have" provinces -- British
    Columbia, Alberta and Ontario -- are paying for
    Quebecers' early retirement, as theirs is the only
    province which has such a generous, early retirement
    benefit.

    In other words, equalization is not very equal.

    What's more, Quebecers can take advantage of $7-a-
    day day care, whereas, in most other provinces, $7
    wouldn't even buy you an hour of day care or
    babysitting.

    Quebec has a very generous pharmaceutical program
    unlike any other in the country and Quebec university
    students pay considerably less for tuition within
    Quebec than students from anywhere else in the
    country.

    For instance, to attend McGill University in 2010,
    Quebec students pay $3,475 for tuition and fees. An
    out-of-province student attending McGill pays
    $7,008, or $3,533 more than a Quebec student --
    more than double! Five of the six cheapest
    universities in Canada are in Quebec -- but they're
    only the cheapest for Quebecers. Those same
    universities are among the most expensive in Canada
    for non-Quebecers.
    &n bsp;
    Sherbrooke has the lowest university tuition and fees
    in the entire country -- but again, only for
    Quebecers, who pay just $2,381. To attend the same
    university, a non-Quebecer, from Alberta, for
    instance, must pay $5,914 or $3,533 more than his
    Quebec colleague. In other words, when that Alberta
    student works through the summer in Alberta to save
    up for tuition and living expenses, the taxes he or she
    will pay will actually h elp subsidize the Quebec
    student's tuition.

    Lately, Quebecers, like Conservative MP Maxime
    Bernier, have criticized Quebec's overreliance on
    equalization, saying Quebecers are "spoiled children."

    But that's got Quebec's Liberal provincial government
    fighting back. In its 2010-11 budget document, the
    Jean Charest government is actually arguing that it
    should receive even more equalization than it's
    getting because Alberta's oil industry is keeping the
    Canadian dollar high, which in turn harms Quebec's
    manufacturing sector. This is not a joke.
    "A rise in the world price of a barrel of oil favours
    provinces that have that resource," states the budget
    document in Section E.
    "However, the rise in the Canadian dollar that
    accompanies the rising price of oil hampers the
    exports of the other provinces. An adequate
    equalization program can mitigate this phenomenon
    by increasing the revenues of provinces that are
    negatively affected by the rise in the dollar, without
    red ucing the revenues of provinces that benefit from
    the higher price of oil."

    In other words, Quebec, which received $8.6 billion of
    the $14.4 billion doled out in equalization this year,
    is arguing that it's not enough! It wants more and it
    blames Alberta's oil industry for its troubles. It's a
    curious argument since it can be argued that
    Alberta's oil industry is literally fuelling Canada's
    economy and largely provided the money that was
    sent as equalization to Quebec in the first place.
    &nbs p;
    In 2007, the last year Statistics Canada figures are
    available for all provinces, B.C., Alberta and Ontario
    were the only provinces that paid more into
    Confederation than they received. Alberta paid a total
    of $37.064 billion in taxes and transfers to the
    federal government and the feds returned $17.567
    billion in services and programs, meaning that
    Alberta contributed $19.5 billion net to the rest of
    Canada.
    &n bsp;
    But Charest, who complained in Copenhagen that
    Alberta's oil sands industry "embarrassed" him, is
    actually making the argument that despite Alberta's
    largesse, it's to blame for the trouble Quebec is in.

    In short, it's all Greek to Quebec -- and that's
    frightening.

    #2
    I say next time there's a referendum, we all get a vote!

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      #3
      I rather favor doing what China did to Hong
      Kong...Canada could rent out Quebec to China
      for a hundred years: and we'd get rental money
      every year while Quebec shaped up. .(tic).
      A great post, thanks Pars

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        #4
        The Liberals were the parents who spoiled the
        kid, now how do we teach them to grow up and
        stand on their own 2 feet?

        Do you all remember the Liberals talking about a
        50 cent dollar? Maybe what they wanted was
        Western Separation? That would give the
        Eastern manufacturing sector their trade
        advantage that they long for.

        Now we are rid of one albatross, on to the next.
        We are running out of time to clean up the mess
        our generation created.

        Seriously, we don 't probably know the half of it.

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          #5
          I agree with most of what is said but it's not quite that simple, mulroney didn't kiss ass out there?

          Is a high dollar going to translate into commodity price slide eventually? What would our grain prices be if the dollar was 80 cents.

          Is everyone out west benefitting from the oil when it's driven costs of labor, equipment, and land up for the other industries like farming and others, while the oil is virtually being given away?

          We are having trouble balancing the budget when there is this much oil and potash activity? Really, Why?

          We have been down and out for so long here that we seem desperate to just accept anything for our resources, maybe we need to not be so easy to be used and realize how bad the world needs what we have as apposed to how bad we just want to get rid of it.

          Is anyone concerned at all about the social aspect of what is happenning out west? We are begging all these immigrants for workers but who are we becoming as a province and as a country?

          Just a side question but is there tax money going into supporting wages or ownership for businesses that are for foreign workers? The reason I ask is there seems to be no burger joints left anywhere city or rural where someone from asia, pakistan etc. isn't working at or all of a sudden owning these places. Is the foreign ownership thing happenning in other industries also?

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            #6
            If anybody didn't know this, they had to
            be living under a rock. Quebec is
            Canada's Greece and Ontario is it's Italy.
            They will eventually take the rest of us
            down.

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              #7
              Maybe we will get lucky and Harper will treat Queebec and the likes of Justine Trudeau the same way as the CWB and just do away with them.

              I am not so sure the rest of canada will fall for the quebec blackmail trick again. We really don't need them that bad.

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                #8
                stop trying to rewrite history.
                Brain Mulroney was one of the worst offenders pumping money and contracts into Quebec.

                Harper is no better , going against his own principals in support of supply
                management.
                other than that , i pretty much agree

                but i do not think we should be
                burning bridges with Quebec just yet.
                Quebec and Ontario have a lot or resources , and their time will come.

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                  #9
                  Their time will come when they get off their socialists asses and make something happen.

                  It always amazes me how western Canada, which is probably one of the youngest economies on the planet, is to help out the rest of the canada and the world.

                  Help Quebec and Ontario out with the NEP a few decades back, and the eastern politicians decided it would make more sense to yank out the youngest railroad network in the world.

                  Now they are trying to blackmail the west again. Maybe its time their were taken off the entitlement tit.

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                    #10
                    I see the Redneck Assholes are in fine form today

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                      #11
                      I have to agree with Stubble. Do we want a country with a domestic market that is 9 million people smaller? We are already a tiny country. wonder if we are not a little high on the energy soapbox here. What goes around comes around.

                      Dave

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                        #12
                        stubble

                        If that was directed at me, I thank you for such kind words.

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                          #13
                          It is directed at all small minded people who dislike anyone because the are different than them. If this fits it was directed at you.

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                            #14
                            I didn't read anything on this thread where someone said they disliked someone which is, I guess, a definition of a redneck. All I read was legitimate arguments on why some areas of the country should clean up their act. Then Stubbie comes out with no arguement and just throws a rock.

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                              #15
                              stubble

                              Do you like what Charest, Mcguinty and Justine Tudeau have said about our Canada in the last few weeks?

                              We have hit a rough spot and they look to blame the west instead of building the country into what should become an economic powerhouse.

                              The major eastern companies like GM, Bombardier, Magna and all the shipbuilding rely on government support.

                              All the western expansion in Potash, oil and gas, fertilizer, crushing is coming from the market and people that invest.

                              Which side of the coin or country would you like to be on?

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