Farm safety net payment cap?

[sumdumguy]

Ridiculous! The cap should be lowered. The
scamming is rampant. How much tax do these
ofs want me to pay?

Let these big shot bozos stand on their own two
feet, not on my toes.

[bucket]

The sad part is most BTOs will take a writedown sometime and no one will ever find out, but it costs all regular and honest farmers.

As far as agristabilty goes the worst thing for a farm is to be stable. A cow calf operation with a stable farm land base will never get a payout. Because its a stable low risk operation. No sense in being involved.

However if you split the operations up that is a different story.

[ALLFARMER]

Interesting comment Bucket

I switch to cow/calf from grains and oilseeds for
exactly that reason....risk. With the imput bills my
farm was at risk every year and what have input
costs done in the last 5 years?

$80/acre land rent, $50/acre for 4.5 pounds/acre
canola seed!! Neighbor has a new 500hp quad
trac (350k) and new drill (400k) so 750k seeding
rig I wish them well, looks like a nice rig.

With today's costs grain farm is all about risk
management.

[ALLFARMER]

Agristability has really helped me out but how
can you have any trust in keeping going with it?
Now with cow calf I dropped it.

[oneoff]

So now there is some recognition about policy that is well beyond fixing in time to save your serious concerns. Where was everyone as the stage is being set on the all the basic issues of rights and freedoms that are chipped away on a daily basis?
Thats where you should have and should be speaking up.

[vvalk]

Take agri invest. The max is $22500 plus the govt
portion makes it $45000. This is to offset the first
15% of a loss. $45000 doesn't go very far these
day. Why shouldn't all farms get equal treatment?
I'm not saying we should have subsidies but if we
do have them then,why shouldn't it be equal. I
think it's a bit hypocritical of everyone on this
thread to say I should get paid / have access to
full payments but not my neighbor. How do you
justify that?

[grassfarmer]

In the livestock sector million $ agri-stability
cheques have been going to hog barns and feedlots
with some regularity.

[oneoff]

Admit that the lowly welfare cheque comes from the same money pot that farmers get their subsidies from.

And further that any business sector needs to be profitable, in the long run, and not by not being dependent on subsidies and hands in other wage earner's pockets.

[newguy]

It is hard enough to try and explain farm subsities are ultimatly a consumer subsity to city people. Thought most farmers understand this. Do believe there should be a cap. Maybe even drop the cap.

[bucket]

Viterra got paid the max on their hog barns a few years ago. MPs rep justified by saying they were farmers.

Anyone think One Earth and Pike are not farming the programs as startups? Interesting that Ritz used to be an ostrich farmer, knowing how to bury his head in the ground.

[seabass]

$14 canola makes people do stupid things. $400000 for quarter sections and $85 rent are just 2 of the many things that are getting out of hand. Doesnt make for good neighbors or good communities. Good cure for this stupidity is $8 canola and $4 wheat. Trouble is it effects those of us that are playing the game for the long term.