NFU press release on CETA

[grefer]

Ahhh,but all is good.They take us out to a hockey game and buy us food and all the booze you can drink and tell us how great they are and all the things they do to help feed the world.To add to that it is the neighbours kid who works for them that escorts us to the event.They must have our best interests at heart.Really!!!

[wd9]

Its really fricking simple. You don't
want the technology don't buy it.
Develop your own seeds. Just don't think
you have this "magical right" in
legislation to steal technology.

The legislation already existed for
cereals to protect the holder of the IP.
Its up to the holder to enforce his
RIGHTS if the farmers PRIVILEGE is
abused. Midge tolerant wheat is a good
example. You're not forced to buy
anything if you don't want it. Trouble
is you want it, you just want to steal
it.

Nice dodging the questions grassfarmer.

[charliep]

Interesting how the discussion went from Canada European trade agreement to GMO to plant breeders rights. Interesting that Europe invest far more in plant breeding than we do in Canada, use biotech (not transgenics) and have some of the strongest protection of plant breeders rights including fair compensation.

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie,

And also interesting that the Aussies have the discipline to do the same, and make advances in plant breeding that should make us blush.

We can grow non-gmo canola like Nexera Hybreds... and open polinated canolas that cost much less than the hybreds.

We truly have unlimited seed sources... choose which system you want to support... and buy that seed.

Cheers!

[parsley]

wd9

I agree with you. Pay for the technology. Pay for a
patent. Development and invention has a cost.

And liability.

Both benefits and liabilities must be factored into
the equation.

So far, biotech's dog squats, dumps, and walks.

As it now sits, grassy is left holding a scoop he
has to pay for because he won't eat the dog.

The inventor , not grassy, should be buying the
scoop and cleaning up his own dog's crap.

Fair enough, wd? Pars

[parsley]

charliep, I want a nice prize. I didnt veer the
discussion this time. LOL

[wd9]

Absolutely parsely. Just as long as your "definition" of poop makes sense. Organic industry has had
their day in court too with this. IF laws are insufficient to have those rights protected, stop
wasting energy trying to get around existing laws to steal technology (as the original poster has
effectively said) and invest in laws that protect your market. Good luck with that of course because
laws shouldn't protecting marketing philosophy. Laws in Canada determine if the product is safe for
food feed and the environment.

Charlie, i copied the quote directly from the first post about this for reference. Don't believe it
is off topic but is within the topic posted. Here again for reference...

CETA includes draconian measures to enforce intellectual property rights, such as plant breeders’
rights and seed patents. If a seed company such as Bayer or Monsanto suspected a farmer of violating
a seed patent, it could get the courts to seize the farmer’s seed, land, equipment and bank
accounts... snip

Still waiting for an answer grassy. Parsely's replied was expected.

[Farmkid1]

Seriously!?! Farmers are some of the smartest people I know, and they are damn good at voting with their wallets. If you don't want the technology then don't buy it...simple. I would bet that the crop insurance average on canola going from 23 bu/acre in sask to 32 bu/acre in sask over the last 10 years has a lot to do with biotech crops....and the market share does not lie....most of the canola is GM because it is good technology. If it wasn't, farmers wouldn't buy it. Good luck seeding!

[wd9]

That is very true farmkid. But according
to the NFU, they wish to advocate that for
some, not you, but those competing against
you, should be able to steal it and feel
the laws protecting the holder of the
intellectual property should be removed.

Net result, new innovations stop because
there will be no return on investment.

[Farmkid1]

Not to get too philisophical here but, if a farmer stole grain out of another farmer's bin he would be in serious shit with all other farmers. There seems to be some that think it is okay to steal from a multinational....stealing is stealing folks. Argue the price, argue the terms, argue whether they should take guys to hockey games or not, but pay for the damn stuff. I find that the NFU does more harm to farmers than good sometimes....especially with the image that we are all a bunch of hillbillies that need to be protected from big business. It's business plain and simple.

[blackpowder]

Obviously I'm not seeding if I'm gonna bite on this one.
The NFUs job as I see it is to be a type of watchdog. Granted you have to sort thru all the lefty propaganda, boil all the pee out of it so to speak. Parts of their message have merit.
As I've said before; legislations job is to keep things Fair not necessarily Equal. Two very different things. With very different consequences.
Is CETA fair? Likely not to all partys concerned. It will hurt some to benefit a few. I don't trust big government nor big business to make everything wonderful all the time.
As for biotech advancements, if they're wanted/needed we should have them. Do we want 4 companys owning them all??? No. So we will have to pay for them ourselves. End point royaltys or some such.
What upsets some of you is consolidation. Of power, wealth, etc.
Consolidation is a natural force until a paradigm shift occurs and it starts all over again. Agriculture may appear different in the future, but it will always be about producing the most food possible with the available resources.