Supermanitiss..... caution!!

[Daylate]

by the sounds of it, it is us that are the nieve
ones. Don't think for a minute that if W. Canada
had a huge claim year that your margin would
be paid out in full. There were high claim years
in the cais years where there was 50% payouts

[sumdumguy]

You sure about that Daylate? There were cash
advances and then if in the end you didn't qualify
for more, that might have felt like a partial
payment to you. Heck they even paid on negative
margins, so if you went below zero or showed a
loss, they made that up too. Do you see the
potential for fraud?

[uneducatedbum]

Agreed wheatking16. Take the excess
moisture in 2010. My neighbor owns a
construction business, didn't get a dime
in govt money while his crew sat, bills
piled up and customers pushed for
progress....on the other side of the
fence, fcc (crown corp) deferred my
payments on fertilizer that I couldn't
get in the ground, and I got another 30
bucks an acre on top of my govt crop
insurance payment for everything I
didn't seed, not too mention all the
other tax benefits that I get on the
farm that he doesn't receive...I am a
strong supporter of the family farm but
as farmers we need to make sure we
maintain a strong image in the public
eye because corporate farms, at least
from my neighbors perspective, require
less subsidies. And in 2010 he didn't
have much sympathy for me.

[furrowtickler]

Don't give a shat about crap ins, at the end of the day mother nature is teaching lessons on what can be farmed..... again. Not the size of your drill,tractor or rent or how about how some fed farm program will or will not pay. Really you guys, come on. It's about one once of integrity and the fact that you can spend an extra $30 /ac more on the dirt you hsve and make much more money than paying more money for more dirt - everytime, hands down..... not about who's screwwing the system or neighbors. I know guys at very small ac that try that shit to stay afloat. realy???? Stop whining about gov't programs - it has nothing to do with the topic .

[Fransisco]

You don't have to fly too high to get too close to the sun.

[SASKFARMER3]

Yea give me a break corporate farms get no
subsidies. Yea rite. 3 years then sell to
new corporate farm continue.
In canada your limited by our weather on
the sise of farm. In Brazil its not a
problem. But here one screw up and your
toast.
One Moon will end, so will Sparce acre.
They wont get their crops all seeded
again.

[blackpowder]

Without govt meddling the natural force of consolidation would have ensured a lot less farms a lot sooner.
However, govt attitudes are maybe a bit dated. The One Earths etc. should never benefit. As in cattle payments, how do you draw a line?
Thought for the day: Try to explain the way we file taxes to a non-farmer and the why. Similar concept as comparing to other businesses over disaster aid.
Farming is like NO other business.
How would self insuring and self banking and accrual accounting and no GST exempts change things? I'm thinking Brazil or Russia?
I could be wrong.
Just saying be careful comparing the business of farming to others.
BTW I'd be disgusted if Broadass collected as would the rest of you.

[SASKFARMER3]

Broadass did collect huge amounts last
year on flood acres. Nothing was seeded on
most of their Foamlake Ituna farm. The
cupar lentils were feed and Canary they
cant sell Its worthless and rotting.
So yes they are at the Trough

[Daylate]

Yes I'm sure. The year of BSE we got a total of 50% of what we were elegible for. Since then we have gone almost entirely out of cattle and into grain. So far its been a good decision. That year we had a huge loss cause we thought we were protected with futures, but the day the news came our cattle on the farm tanked and because we don't have a futurs market in canada we hedged through chicago and US beef went limit up. Oh well! But I do agree, the less involved we can keep the government the more control our individual farms will have in the long term. Europeans can't sneeze on there dirt without a piece of paper to back it up!