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    #25
    errol,

    US will not own up to problems till AFTER the election is over... IF then.

    EU is worse than the US. Elections don't help... and I don't think if Alberta and Ontario were not smart enough to put in responsible fiscal governance... what hope is there for the rest?

    Live for today... why worry about grandchildren... they will have to look out for themselves!

    Isn't that the new 'chant'!!!?

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      #26
      What numbers are you guys looking at?

      The us fiscal gap is 1.5 trillion,the european situation
      has had massive monetary injections,canada can't
      even balance its budgets or let rates rise.

      Austerity is a joke,walk up to a nurse or cop or
      sasktel employee and tell them 40% of their pension
      is gone and buy the way we are raising your income
      tax burden and we are raising retirement age and
      your going to have start paying some medical bills
      and working more hours and one third of you are
      fired.

      Hows all that going to work?

      Montreal students went beserck over a minuscule
      tuition hike.

      There is only solution,print,the people still take a kick
      to the head but they have a harder time figuring out
      what is going on.

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        #27
        CP,

        If the world is bound and determined to get off on these environmental kicks... like carbon credits and climate change... the only solution is to do what they are doing now. The lack of productivity and profitability proves their eco-strategy is not economically sustainable. The EU is the perfect example, and the US is not far behind. India and China don't participate... because they would colapse as well.

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          #28
          The whole situation is so very large and complex.

          Rational conclusions are even suspect because of
          such hugely flawed data.

          Governments cannot keep promises they made.

          The banks are over levered.

          The debt cannot be paid back.

          The top guys i've been following for the past decade
          that seen all this coming all seem to be sensing that
          everything is coming to a head right here and now.

          For what its worth.

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            #29
            Tom . . . believe the U.S. fiscal cliff
            will hit before the U.S. election and no
            amount of political manipulation can stop
            it this time.

            The U.S. can no longer sweep this under
            the carpet politically. What's directly
            ahead will be extremely difficult for the
            American president to contain.

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              #30
              Yeah things are gonna get better and
              better cousin the gobermont boys is
              preachin agin, free open market,
              marketeering, making money when the prices
              are goin down. No end ta suckcess in
              Comedian framing, now that the wheatie
              bored has been stolen from Comedian
              framers............

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                #31
                Errol;

                History has proven you wwwrong time after time...the colapse has been 'stopped'; besides the US dollar is rising and the EU can push the US to help to stop the crunch. $100B bailout for Spain is nothing in the grand scheme of things... EG 1.5T US Deficit.

                Germany is not an island to itself...

                They will print. China and India must push ahead... they need our export markets to keep growing. Russia will supply the Arabs what they need... and they have Zillions of liquid currency... together.

                Will Israel survive? Will Iran attack them? Much Much more to be concerned about on this side.

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                  #32
                  You have always sold in the world and North M
                  American wheat markets. CWB used futures markets
                  and other tools in making these sales - they occurred
                  in the context of the CWB pooling system with limited
                  to no visibility to farmers or market signals. You still
                  have that alternative if you choose to use it.

                  In the new world, western Canadian will actually be
                  able to make sales based on actual world or North
                  American prices. These prices will be based on some
                  futures so that all members of the supply chain
                  (farmer to end user) will use these prices as a
                  reference or a hedging tool. Hopefully western
                  Canada can have a made in the prairies futures price
                  to base decisions and if they choose, an alternative to
                  manage risk. A dreamer I realize but think about the
                  benefit of a well functioning options market based off
                  the ICE futures Canada wheat, durum and barley
                  futures contracts.

                  Nothing has really changed in the new world. Just
                  more decisions made by you versus a single desk and
                  more information to use in these decisions.

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                    #33
                    I am certainly no expert on global finance or politics.

                    All I know is we are all in a big mess. The present generation of voters has demanded, and received, a very high standard of living. But they have refused to pay for it. 30 years of this, and the chickens are coming home to roost.

                    So who will pay? I think its simple. Those who bought the paper will. Voters will elect politicians who will give them what they want, so it won't be the voters.

                    I'm with cotton on this. The lenders, who are just as much at fault as the borrowers or maybe more, will bear the brunt. Did they do their due dilgence when they bought the debt??? Or were they too eager to get their hands on the paper so they could leverage and churn?

                    I think they will have few choices at the end of the day. A haircut is a haircut-either take a writedown, or be repaid in 5 cent dollars. My bet is the 5 cent dollar route is what is going to happen. Print and pay. Print and pay. Its easier to do than get a pampered generation to pay up or alter their habits.

                    I feel sorry for the people with pensions and paper. They will get a haircut as well. But I also think they are the same ones who have demanded free everything, and who refuse to pay sufficient taxes to cover the cost.

                    What goes around comes around???

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