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    #21
    so far europe is moving towards a deflationary depression because the germans won't allow another inflationary depression like the one of the 20's. stimulus has been ineffective because economies continue to slow and shrink. in my humble opinion the debt taken on to finance the growth from the 80's to the present was our inflation and we're headed the other way now. all the growth of the last thirty years was debt financed and now things will have to shrink back to reality.

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      #22
      jensend . . . in my humble opinion, you
      are 100% right.

      The dawn of Spanish economic reality
      today. Why is the market so surprised?
      This was a train wreck seen many miles
      ahead.

      Talk of economic panic in China. Rate
      cuts there are viewed as a sign of more
      bad economic news, not an opportunity to
      go deeper in debt. China stocks down
      hard overnight.

      U.S. clearly in the throws of massive
      credit deleveraging right now.

      Errol

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        #23
        They care but when the line companies and the ouside players/funds are using the US exchanges I have to agree with Ed White in the producer this week.
        The barley contract is going to struggle mightily as well as the feed volume couldn't keep the old contract alive and I don't think you'll see the malt industry use the contract.

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          #24
          There is a re-newed interest in the cattle industry given continued tight feed grain supplies (story to be told on wheat) and recent events around Newco. Also, the new world will mean export feed barley business will come together a lot more quickly (a panamax or 2 of feed barley sales off Vancouver) can come together quickly in the new world. More volatility and risk. Hopefully we can get a fully traded barley contract for all members of the supply chain.

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            #25
            errol,

            US will not own up to problems till AFTER the election is over... IF then.

            EU is worse than the US. Elections don't help... and I don't think if Alberta and Ontario were not smart enough to put in responsible fiscal governance... what hope is there for the rest?

            Live for today... why worry about grandchildren... they will have to look out for themselves!

            Isn't that the new 'chant'!!!?

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              #26
              What numbers are you guys looking at?

              The us fiscal gap is 1.5 trillion,the european situation
              has had massive monetary injections,canada can't
              even balance its budgets or let rates rise.

              Austerity is a joke,walk up to a nurse or cop or
              sasktel employee and tell them 40% of their pension
              is gone and buy the way we are raising your income
              tax burden and we are raising retirement age and
              your going to have start paying some medical bills
              and working more hours and one third of you are
              fired.

              Hows all that going to work?

              Montreal students went beserck over a minuscule
              tuition hike.

              There is only solution,print,the people still take a kick
              to the head but they have a harder time figuring out
              what is going on.

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                #27
                CP,

                If the world is bound and determined to get off on these environmental kicks... like carbon credits and climate change... the only solution is to do what they are doing now. The lack of productivity and profitability proves their eco-strategy is not economically sustainable. The EU is the perfect example, and the US is not far behind. India and China don't participate... because they would colapse as well.

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                  #28
                  The whole situation is so very large and complex.

                  Rational conclusions are even suspect because of
                  such hugely flawed data.

                  Governments cannot keep promises they made.

                  The banks are over levered.

                  The debt cannot be paid back.

                  The top guys i've been following for the past decade
                  that seen all this coming all seem to be sensing that
                  everything is coming to a head right here and now.

                  For what its worth.

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                    #29
                    Tom . . . believe the U.S. fiscal cliff
                    will hit before the U.S. election and no
                    amount of political manipulation can stop
                    it this time.

                    The U.S. can no longer sweep this under
                    the carpet politically. What's directly
                    ahead will be extremely difficult for the
                    American president to contain.

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                      #30
                      Yeah things are gonna get better and
                      better cousin the gobermont boys is
                      preachin agin, free open market,
                      marketeering, making money when the prices
                      are goin down. No end ta suckcess in
                      Comedian framing, now that the wheatie
                      bored has been stolen from Comedian
                      framers............

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