Tarriffs

[rockpile]

Tarriffs are a two way street. Ask any livestock guy
about that. Even now under COOL it costs a
Canadian producer 60 to 70 bucks more per head
to submit the identical paper work compared to a
US producer. As far as US dairy and poultry go, are
their subsidies factored in to those price
comparisons? At one time the Govt subsidy on milk
was 100%! Also, don't just compare price - compare
quality as well. Their butter is more likely to be
oleo. And Pars, you pretty much summed it up in
your last sentence - "glad to be home". Perhaps you
betrayed yourself.

[Fransisco]

It doesn't matter which country is doing it tariffs are still legalized theft. You sound like a preschooler with all the " But... MOMMMMMM... everyone else is doing it" baloney.

[rockpile]

Franny, never said it was right, did I? Be a good boy
scout - we can always use more roadkill!

[parsley]

There should be free and open trade. One of
the burrs in trade has been Canada's supply
management sector. It's caused grief for
decades as an unfair business practice. Supply
management is morally wrong. I should be able
to buy cows and milk them and sell milk
anywhere. The entire duty system is wrong. And
... I am glad to be home Rocky, so I can scrap
with you. I see you practiced up. LOL. Pars.

[Fransisco]

Hey you never said it was wrong either rockster. And put up a pretty good defense of the system. I'm just callin em like I see em.

Supply management has caused all of us other farmers all kinds of grief when it comes to trade. We're all looking for more markets while they're trying to shut the door even tighter. It makes our trade negotiators look like morons who are sucking and blowing at the same time.

[rockpile]

Franny, thanks for acknowledging that I put up a
pretty good defence, lol. Supply management is and
has been a trade issue for a very long time but, at
the end of the day, it's been part of the political
foundation of this nation. I doubt even Harper
wants to mess with it (much like abortion). But
consider this. In international trade discussions,
time and again the CWB was a thorn in the eyes of
our competitors. And now it's gone all on our own
devise and we got dick sweet all in return. Glad you
guys are not my lawyer!
Pars - morally wrong - that's hyperbole. Maybe the
rules are inconvenient or an obstacle, which is
common in many business ventures btw, but don't
confuse morality with operating codes of conduct.
And you can get into the dairy business if you like -
just cough up the dough. Thanks for the offer but
sparring implies conquest and defeat where I more
prefer discussion and respect.

[Fransisco]

You and I obviously have a very different defintion of "nothing".

To me being able to sell my wheat and barley to whoever I want whenever I want for whatever price I want. Is way more than just "nothing".

[Fransisco]

BTW- I agree Pars, it is immoral. Legal yes, but still immoral.

[parsley]

Legislating commerce-favoritism is immoral. You
would reverse your stance rather quickly if
women-only farming was legalized; all *****
being left with dick-all. pars

[oneoff]

So why isn't it immoral to act like the Americans re fruits vegetables and meats.
Why can't you buy your new car, truck UTV, boat, Bobcat on whichever side of the 49th parallel you choose.
All the commerce problems aren't on the North side of the border.
Everyone sticks their head in the sand and wails "Boo Hoo I can't do anything about it."
And , if annything , those bitchers end up picking on the CWB and supply management as the source of all their troubles.
Sorry to tell you, but the rot goes much deeper.

[parsley]

"Legislating commerce-favoritism is immoral.".
This axiom can apply to Ethiopia or Mauritius or
USA, too.

[ASRG]

I'm all for opening up that border...but please both ways? When I have to pay an extra $10K in Canada for a 1 ton.....while selling my cattle for 10 cents less....makes me wonder who is benifitting?
I don't think it is me?