Tarriffs

[parsley]

There should be free and open trade. One of
the burrs in trade has been Canada's supply
management sector. It's caused grief for
decades as an unfair business practice. Supply
management is morally wrong. I should be able
to buy cows and milk them and sell milk
anywhere. The entire duty system is wrong. And
... I am glad to be home Rocky, so I can scrap
with you. I see you practiced up. LOL. Pars.

[Fransisco]

Hey you never said it was wrong either rockster. And put up a pretty good defense of the system. I'm just callin em like I see em.

Supply management has caused all of us other farmers all kinds of grief when it comes to trade. We're all looking for more markets while they're trying to shut the door even tighter. It makes our trade negotiators look like morons who are sucking and blowing at the same time.

[rockpile]

Franny, thanks for acknowledging that I put up a
pretty good defence, lol. Supply management is and
has been a trade issue for a very long time but, at
the end of the day, it's been part of the political
foundation of this nation. I doubt even Harper
wants to mess with it (much like abortion). But
consider this. In international trade discussions,
time and again the CWB was a thorn in the eyes of
our competitors. And now it's gone all on our own
devise and we got dick sweet all in return. Glad you
guys are not my lawyer!
Pars - morally wrong - that's hyperbole. Maybe the
rules are inconvenient or an obstacle, which is
common in many business ventures btw, but don't
confuse morality with operating codes of conduct.
And you can get into the dairy business if you like -
just cough up the dough. Thanks for the offer but
sparring implies conquest and defeat where I more
prefer discussion and respect.

[Fransisco]

You and I obviously have a very different defintion of "nothing".

To me being able to sell my wheat and barley to whoever I want whenever I want for whatever price I want. Is way more than just "nothing".

[Fransisco]

BTW- I agree Pars, it is immoral. Legal yes, but still immoral.

[parsley]

Legislating commerce-favoritism is immoral. You
would reverse your stance rather quickly if
women-only farming was legalized; all *****
being left with dick-all. pars

[oneoff]

So why isn't it immoral to act like the Americans re fruits vegetables and meats.
Why can't you buy your new car, truck UTV, boat, Bobcat on whichever side of the 49th parallel you choose.
All the commerce problems aren't on the North side of the border.
Everyone sticks their head in the sand and wails "Boo Hoo I can't do anything about it."
And , if annything , those bitchers end up picking on the CWB and supply management as the source of all their troubles.
Sorry to tell you, but the rot goes much deeper.

[parsley]

"Legislating commerce-favoritism is immoral.".
This axiom can apply to Ethiopia or Mauritius or
USA, too.

[ASRG]

I'm all for opening up that border...but please both ways? When I have to pay an extra $10K in Canada for a 1 ton.....while selling my cattle for 10 cents less....makes me wonder who is benifitting?
I don't think it is me?

[parsley]

You seem a little up-tight this morning oneoff.
Pars

[oneoff]

Big meeting tonight.... need your support. They'd run like rats.

[oneoff]

ASRG The suprise is that there isn't a $10,000 in vehicles price difference anymore.

All those tractors, recreation vehicles, boats, construction equipment can be had in Canada (from a dealer who wants to quote a competitive price) for practically the same price as the American dealer would quote to an American customer. Note that I would have agreed with you a few years ago; but now I don't believe it is true.

The US dealers problem is that the licence from the multinational parent company is threatened to be revoked if anyone gets wind of anyone selling outside their "territory" which especially means another country. And "no" they don't have the guts to stand up for free trade; and couldn't win any fight without their superior arsenals.

Now if you want to risk giving a US dealer a heart attack; just play along with the US Magicjack phone number; your street address of the USPS office where you have your PO Box; the Nation wide US Bank where you have some money on deposit and don't say "eh".

Customs will be no problem (give them their 3 day notice as required for anything that has wheels on it and is mobile); getting back the state tax is a problem unless you deal with some place like Montana with no tax; (so go to Montana); beware that warranty from a Canadian dealer might be slow or denied and that he will probably go straight to the parent company as if he were a ten year old carrying on a temper tantrum. And since we as customers should want to preserve this shopping option; why give the Canadian dealer the opportunity to make some money on the repair. It may well be closer to deliver it back across the line for repair anyways.

However if you explain to a Canadian dealer that their parent manufacturer uses every imaginable part and motor sourced from around the world; using every free trade option available; then they usually get quite competitive (if they have product to make any sale).

And that is the solution to cross border shopping. There is minimal need to go elsewhere if it is at least close to not being worthwhile to make your purchases outside your country. And there are more factors than price that should make any smart shopper want to deal "locally" when your dealer tries to be competitive.

[parsley]

Give me more than a days advance and I'll dye
my hair, buy a new bra, don a mask and come
along as your speaking representative. Could be
fun if I get to try out my rear naked choke on the
reeve. Pars.

[farmaholic]

Parsley: Just trying to visualize your last comment and having trouble.

[Hopperbin]

Ya I'll do same but need more than a day notice.