Pacific Trade Alliance

[ALLFARMER]

If quota all of a sudden became worthless FCC
would have a wreck on their hand so that isn't
going to happen.

[parsley]

Liberal Martha agrees with ending supply
management:

http://t.co/4llnaeRR

[gustgd]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ca
nadas-dairy-poultry-markets-prized-in-
pacific-trade-deal/article4358953/?
service=mobile

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Had this discusion with a friend yesterday.
His thoughts were Ottawa paid out the Tobacco
farmers why not SM? The debate would be on
what % of quota "value"?

[parsley]

Ending dairy's supply management will be
difficult. For the farmer, it's like realizing that a
longtime friend you've trusted and counted on
doesn't give two hoots in hell about you. But
change is real. It's the only thing that is. Pars

[wilagro]

Who wants "artificially stimulated" milk from the USA?

[bduke]

Parsley... IMHO the process of change is difficult for many to risk.

The results are most often embraced.... although our Supply Management
cost plus is unusual.

The profitability of the efficient has become capitalized in quota values.

Ironically, the proponents of the establishment of SM argued this
program would ensure sustainability of smaller dairy and feather farms.

I recall the doomsday voices of Canada's wine industry when the USFTA
was being established.

II think it was Dr Sandy Warley who respond to the wine lobby anti trade
position "what are they protecting,..Chateau Welland Canal?".

Canada now has a wine industry far evolved from Baby Duck!

I agree that change is real.... and inevitable.

The wise change after the bleeding edge... and before the bandwagon.

Bill

[parsley]

Re profitability of the efficient? Or perhaps the
profitability of the political lobbyist. The
latter,iover the long term, is the antithesis of
efficiency and results in demise. I would counter
it is the profitability of the inefficient. LOL.

[parsley]

And Will, I do not want artificially stimulated milk.
new Zealand has none Nor do I want carragean
in my cream, which is evidence if the creep factor
in Canada. But hurt will be real. Pars

[bduke]

Parsley... My understanding from a few years ago is the milk, poultry and
egg prices are set basis average costs and average productivity plus a profit.

Therefore it is the above average producers that pay greatly for quotas to
gain market access for greater production.

This has resulted in larger and very modern facilities, but has also practically
eliminated the small enterprises.

The horrendous value they pay for quota... a license to sell a wholesome
product ffs... is their biggest investment.

The powerful lobby effectively protects this licensing value, which should be
illegal in an open economy.

BTW Quebec is overweight in their market share of dairy.... and the Prairies
are underweight.

Politics perhaps!

Bill

[parsley]

If you consider the inevitable decimation of their
falsepaper-assets, as part of their long term
planning , as a opposed to longterm sustainability
based on sound, fair , COMPETITIVE
economics, doesnt efficiency take on a whole
new meaning?

Any farmer who bases their industry on ass-
kissing and favoritism, and conniving, is bound to
fail

If the amount of bushels or the amount of
butterfat or the amount of dollars are made
efficient only until doomsday 2013, is that
efficiency? Or can the hungry barncat quickly
outpace the pampered tomcat. LOL.

Bottom line: Does competition better foster
efficiency? Pars.

[bduke]

Parsley... Science and subsidies are synergetic in agriculture because risk
is hugely mitigated.

Guaranteed profitability greatly enhances the adoption of technology, the
affordability of superior genetics, the improvement of facilities, and the
speed of expansion.

Competition fosters fairer efficiency, but not necessarily greater efficiency.

If we compare performance of olympic athletes, they with better training,
newest technology, and state of the art nutrition tend to be the medalists.

They are also the most subsidized.

In this case the pampered tomcats do out perform we barn cats...
unfortunately.

BTW .. wheat yields in the world are also highest where the prices have the
greatest support. Wheat Belly wheat albeit.

Therefore the SM lobby is focussed on protecting their quotas... their
greatest investment.

The unfairness of this scam is the regulated higher cost to consumers, the
prohibited license cost which greatly restricts access, the windfall for they
selling quotas, and the unrestricted use of "regulated profits" to out bid
other farmers for land and equipment.

Bottom line is competition fosters fairer production, fairer access and fairer
pricing.

Bill