Adler vs Supply Management

[Fransisco]

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[fjlip]

Average 70 cow dairy equals $1,960,000 in quota cost?

[ColevilleH2S]

Cows don't make milk in Alberta???WTH?

I pity the fool who tries to baffle ol' Chuck with bull$hit.

[tubs]

it is high time for marketing boards to go. hog producer cattle producer and grain producers are sacrivised for year in international trade deals to protect the marketing boards. the guy in this interview never answered one question properly that charles asked him.

[samhill]

Well, Chuckie playing the same old game of
promoting
Chuckie, and ignoring facts , cutting in, and
pretending that he presents facts, and never does.
I drive longhaul to the USA and don't buy milk there
b/c quality is very inferior to CDN. I know there's
problems with supply management in this country,
but Chuckie ignores benefits we have here to
conditions in the USA. I would support a limit on
dairy herd size so more could make a living from it,
but generally, dairy is produced close to the market.
Like to see Chuckie try to be a dairy farmer.

[Fransisco]

Quality is a red herring. We buy all sorts of dairy
products in the states and can't tell the difference.
You don't need supply management to have good
quality.

[ajl]

In Alberta the quota cost is something
like $30-35000 per cow. All dairy
farmers have to do is sell two cows and
the the associated quota per year and
essentially do nothing else for an
income. This situation is absurd.
Obviously consumers are getting hosed in
Canada because the money to support this
giant ponzi scheme is coming from
somewhere.

[IAMTHEMOLE]

That was ugly. The dairy farmers picked the wrong guy to battle with Adler.

[samhill]

Just for fun:


Canadian milk specs

cterial content in finished products
81 (1)  The bacterial content of reconstituted milk, pasteurized milk in fluid form and sugared dairy beverages shall not exceed 10 000
bacteria per millilitre or one coliform bacteria per millilitre more frequently than twice during the last 6 consecutive tests on samples that
are in accordance with section 83.
(2)  Subject to subsection (3), no manufactured milk product shall contain more than one coliform bacteria per millilitre when in the liquid
state or more than 10 coliform bacteria per gram when in the non-liquid state.
(3)  Subject to subsection (4), where a non-liquid manufactured milk product is produced or processed
(a) at a temperature of 0° C or less without the use of microbial cultures or extracts of biological origin, it shall not contain more than
100 000 bacteria per gram or 10 coliform bacteria per gram,
(b) with the use of microbial cultures or extracts of biological origin, it shall not contain more than 10 coliform bacteria per gram.
(4)  Subsection (3) (b) does not apply to cheese other than cottage cheese and creamed cottage cheese.
Adulteration and contamination
82 No dairy product shall contain extraneous water or be adulterated or contaminated.


USA milk quality
Milk somatic cell counts are an issue in the international trade of milk and milk products and this was a major issue between the U.S. and
the E.U. in the spring of 1997. The problem is that the U.S. has the highest upper limit for SCC (750,000 cells/ml) of all the major
developed dairy producing countries of the world. The E.U., New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, and Norway all accept 400,000 SCC as the
upper limit and New Zealand may consider adopting 300,000 cells/ml in the future. Canada has now agreed on 500,000 SCC throughout
all of the provinces and is already investigating the possibility of going to 400,000 cells/ml. This clearly leaves the U.S. in an unenviable
position in the international market place of having to defend the concept that U.S. dairy products are as safe and as high quality as
products from any other country. The U.S. media often states that U.S. dairy products are the safest in the world. Where is the proof of this
statement? The U.S. position is that SCC are an issue of quality but not safety. This view is not shared by the E.U. due to the broader view
and interpretation of "hygienic requirements" (5,6,7).
A FIMA permit is issued by the U.S. upon review of records and a new
permit is required each year. Inspections must be required each year,
rather than relying on a previous year’s data to be used on a new permit.
The FIMA regulations do not specifically state an inspection time-frame.
4. Change raw milk bacteria count to 300,000/ml for commingled milk and
100,000/ml for individual producers. This will make the FIMA requirements
identical to the U.S. Grade “A” requirements.
5. Add a Somatic Cell Count (SCC) standard of 750,000/ml. The FIMA
currently does not have a SCC requirement, but U.S. producers must meet
the 750,000/ml level.
6. Change raw cream bacteria count to 300,000/ml for commingled milk and
100,000/ml for individual producers for the reasons stated in point 4 above.
7. Add an animal drug testing requirement that is identical to that in the U.S.
9. Add pasteurized milk Coliform Count standard of 10/ml. There is no
requirement for a coliform count on products under the FIMA.

[perfecho]

Yes, there needs to be some tweaking, limiting size may very well take care of that, however the system does work, keeps the supply relatively even so as there isn't the ups and downs of pricing and supply....remember all the dairy cows being slaughtered in the US because of over supply...a government run program to deal with that issue. Plus, I would rather deep BST out of my milk.
Lets fix the system, but lets not through the baby out with the bath water.....I find the biggest opposition is usually jealousy......lets elevate the rest of food producers, instead of racing to the lowest level. Let’s stand up for what makes Canada and Canadians....not try to be like everyone else...you can see where that is taking them!

[wilagro]

Fransisco: Please buy all the bacteria-laden products from the USA that you want.

I'll stay with Canada's standards and a system which has worked well for Canadian dairy operators and for consumers as well.

If you read anything about our system you would know WHY and HOW it came about. Take your American system and shove it where the sun don't shine...you and Harper would sell us out in the blink of an eye and think nothing of it as long as your precious MARKET was served.

As far as Adler is concerned...a facetious phoney egotistical jerk trying to be a nouveau Rush Limbaugh. No doubt his abrasive style appeals to you but he is no pundit...just another pseudo-entertainer seeking ratings.

[ColevilleH2S]

Willy your bacteria count standard is a red herring
that avoids the real issue about the sustainablity of
this communist style system we have now. Tell me
how $25,000/kg quota or what ever it is now, works
for anyone? All it does is keep bankers happy, and
innovators out.

[grassfarmer]

Oh man, what a dumb-ass Adler is - only in redneck
western Canada could a fool like this be considered a
"pundit" with enough credibility to be given air time.

He is outraged that dairy farms are so huge they have
a net worth over $1 million. Wow, He has no clue.

Didn't understand the man trying to correct his
misunderstanding of "corporate farms". Completely
wrong on this score.

Claims CDN store prices are 2-3 times higher than
the US which is gross exaggeration. Doesn't
appear to realize that the price milk sells for in the
store isn't the price the farmer receives.

Chose not to comment on the store price of chickens
or eggs although they too are supply managed
products - wonder why?

Wants to "free" dairy farmer just like grain farmers
were "freed" from the CWB. He will have a job
convincing dairy farmers they need to be "freed" from
the fruits of the most successful dairy sector in the
world.

As I've said before the whole issue is bogus. In my
own sector (beef) organizations like ABP have long
said "we" were being denied market-access to certain
countries because of supply management. I've asked
several times for them to name one country that has
indicated it would either allow market access for CDN
beef, or increase their importations of CDN beef if we
were to abolish supply management and they can't
name one because there isn't one - completely bogus
issue which is nothing more a than hostile trade
threat by foreign competitors. Time for Canadians to
smarten up.

[Fransisco]

[grassfarmer]

Lie #1 - that CDN consumers pay $2.30/litre and US
only pay 90 cents.
According to Conference Board of Canada research
Canadian consumers pay 60 cents more for a one litre
carton of whole milk.