Share it Maybe...?

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro and Burbert et. el;

Before Marketing Freedom you say you were 'Cooperative' ... the CWB was working together with marketing our wheat... our 'Cookies' so to speak.

NOW YOU want to take all your Cookies; and go home.

CWB Pools...were then the best marketing risk management... an averaged price.

Now proof at our farm gate; prices paid track Portland (PNW) wheat prices... the old CWB said were too high and fictious.

We can actually Cooperate...now; and share our risk...in a pool: YOU WON"T.

A song just for you...

'Share it Maybe

[TOM4CWB]

Willy and Burbert,

An interesting look at Pooling!

[wilagro]

Tom: Someday you'll probably progress past the Sesame Street TV shows...at least we can only hope.

CBC Newsworld might be a step upward.

[wilagro]

Tom: Pools were not just an "averaged price"...there's more to Pools than just average price. You 'should' know that by now.

Google for an explanation...I don't have time to educate you at the moment...am too busy cutting grass. All this damned rain...just finish mowing the lawn and it's time to start all over again.

[bucket]

Oh oh! The mantra has changed. Now there is more to the pools than just an average price. Its called the shittiest price.

Your right it was more than average price. It was about blending off shitty grain from up north or Manitoba. Or ensuring than Manitoba farmers got their grain out when it was wet, meanwhile saskatchewan farmers were expected to wait for muddy soft roads. Or Roddy and stewie making sweetheart deals for the marketing of their "organic" grain. It was about hiding a 250 million trading loss from a rogue manager. It was about hiding the fact they paid premiums for the churchill program and then ended up railing the grain back to a useable winter port. etc etc

The insanity of an archaic institution,

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

Like CBC... the $1.---Billion taking of our money each year... For what? BNN and Sun provide much more info... at no cost to the Canadian Taxpayer.

Thanks for reminder

AND a Good camparison...Willy... The CBC is about as productive and helpful as the old CWB 'single desk' was!

[wd9]

Wilagro, its not that you can't educate,
its because you just can't. Even though
you have been asked time after time after
time after time, you don't.

So what the hell, tell me how the pool is
more and or better than just average.
Mathematically it is impossible, but i'm
sure we are willing to read how.

[wilagro]

wd9: The AB Ag site has the answers for you regarding "pooling" of grain.

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/sis11760

Charlie Pearson I believe was responsible for helping place this most excellent article on the AB government site.

As it says..."A pooled price is not a simple average of the revenue generated from the sale of a specific grade over the course of a crop year."

[sumdumguy]

If they had been transparent and audited, It may
have been believable, but the idea of robbing one
pool to pad another under a veil of secracy is
suspect at best.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

The CWB pools as set up... are for the many grades... AND the many classes of wheat... with the CWB's adjustments to make the price an average 'Fair' price for all of the pool participants. For instance the #3 14px CWRS at one time during the year... could return more actual cash than #1 14.5. Yet the grower of the higher grade will get the higher price...

As the basis was determined by the initial price... which is an averaging mechanism and not the daily basis of what was actually paid... These CWB prices have a very poor record of tracking actual prices... instead far below market values.

I do not see Ontario Wheat doing prices this way... why have we done this all these years?

Cheers!

[parsley]

The CWB took money out of the conventional
wheat and barley pools to sell organic barley and
wheat and pay the specialized organic staff so
that organic flour could replace conventional
flour.

I thought it unfair to both conventional and
organic farmers.

The only ones who benefitted from pooling
piggybanks was the CWB itself because they
assumed power over organic marketing, and also
hired a gaggle of lackluster staff to honk orders.
In my very humble opinion. Pars.

[Burbert]

Fairness has no place in the
angribusiness world now, greed,
corruption and all around slimeiness now
prevails. A gobermont run cwb has no
place it is a dooo dooo bird waiting ta
die!!!! Framers rights were removed
from the agency by Herr Harper and his
Gag ministry guru, Ritz.......... Nuf
said that was then, this is now, unless
the Courts see it differently at
sometime in the future and decide to
return Comedian framers their right of
association, garanteed under the
Comedian Charter of Rights and
Freedoms........

[wd9]

Wilagro, from your article;


The end result of price pooling is that
any costs increased as a result of a
reduction in system efficiency are
spread across all grades in the pool
account. For example, demurrage charges
on a vessel kept waiting because of a
delay in receiving 3CWRS at a terminal
elevator are not deducted from the final
payment of 3CWRS alone but are spread
across all grades in the wheat pool.


So its actually less than the average
price. Now that sounds like the CWB.

Perhaps Willie, you could explain why
this is an advantage to the farmer, not
to the eight floors of employees and
those ridiculous 'board' members.

[wilagro]

wd9: Please contact Charlie Pearson for your answers to the questions you ask...the article came from their site.
Besides Charlie has more experience in this sort of thing as he lives and breathes it...I trust he will be more than glad to explain.

[charliep]

The article was about the mechanics of pooling - not
whether good or bad. The ability of the single desk
to price differentiate is what supporters will highlight
as the benefit. The more realistic is the potential
gains from premiums in some markets was shared
among all pools participants as was the pain of
discounting in other markets/the impact of other
logistical decisions you mention wd9.

I don't want to waste time talking about the past.
Price pooling still exists although how it will be done
will change. Individual farmers will have to pay more
attention to how they sell their wheat including
having a marketing plan - having been doing for
years with other crops so wheat will not be a big
issue.

My objective remains to provide farmers with solid
information so they can adapt and make profitable
decisions in the new world. There will be new ideas
and challenges in the new world. We need to move
on. The old world was not perfect either.

I will leave to you guys to fight old wars.