Killing the CWB...potential for lost Canadian jobs

[freewheat]

About The Author

David Climenhaga is an award-winning
journalist, author, post-secondary
teacher, poet and trade union
communicator

LOL I love the way he describes himself.
typical left wing nutty guy. (poet? )lol

So for me here is my background. I am a
farmer, father, drummer, mechanic, crop
scout, receptionist, insect expert,
tractor operator, husband, writer, poet,
graduate of voc ag, bin sweeper, sheep
raiser, gardener, poultry grower, egg
collector, friend, neighbor, brother to
three, son in law, uncle, weed
identification expert, crop
nutritionist, and sorry, my list is too
long for this page, so I'll stop there.

A self described poet writing articles
on western Canadian wheat marketinig?
LOL

[TOM4CWB]

Interesting on who grows the crop now Willy,

From Agriweek Aug 20 2012:

"A paper from the George Morris Centre concludes that there is little correlation between farm profitability and trends in farm numbers. The paper by Larry Martin and Al Mussell correlates census data with gross and net farm income to show that inadequate income is not a major factor in the trend toward larger farms.
Farms with annual sales over $500,000 represent just under 15% of all farms but almost 70% of farm-gate revenue. On average, these farms have over $5 million in annual revenue."

Thanks for the good article Morris Dorosh... Keep up the good work!

Morris also has an interesting article on how wheat growers are not selling wheat like folks thought they would... holding the wheat back.

I thought the CWB/Single Desk crowd said we wht growers would slam the whole crop on the market at once... and push the prices through the floor... till they were at half price!

Strange... we growers did not do the this with canola or peas either!

What happened Willy?

[wilagro]

Tom: What or who are these "CWB/Single Desk crowd" of which you speak?

If someone said that you twits would dump everything on the market at once then take it up with the one who said it.

Harvest is far from over...time will tell what the market will do. Besides that the "system" is only barely adequate during any harvest. Anyway without any quotas whatsoever the "hogs" will get their grain to market and plug the elevators like in the olden days. That should make you happy.

[TOM4CWB]

Wilagro,

First come first serve... LIKE every other part of our economy.

If a car dealer runs out of a certain model on sale... tough.

If the price rises for bolts and nuts... that is as it is.

When the ships fill up this fall... and the wheat needed has been procured... don't expect to cry back on us. Signup/Sell to the CWB pool... and you can have a place in the cue to sell as well.

What could be fairer???

Do you want to watch Gord Flaten C/W ExChair Oberg and his fellow 'Single Desk' Directors. They are telling us how the wheat market will race to the bottom without the CWB single desk... NOT me... your famous CWB Directors.

Remember, Cam is as smart as Allen... who is as smart as Bill. These 3 CWB are 'Good Marketers' and will Fight each other to the bottom... of the 'market'... in the CWB's Single Desk' world. Very simple stuff... according to Gord Flaten.

Just for you Willy...

LEST we FORGET.

[parsley]

Wilagro....

Force, violence, pressure or compulsion with a
view to conformity, are both uncivilized and
undemocratic. - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

[rockpile]

Tom, you were selective in your comments from
Agriweek regarding wheat sales to the CWB and
Grain Companies. The real theme in the article
seemed to indicate that because farmers are not
contracting and pricing wheat and barley for
delivery, both CWB and Grain Co.s are hesitant to
make sales to end users for new crop. The only
movement is the CWB filling old crop orders in the
neighbourhood of 3 mil MT. The point being that
no one can risk making sales without first having
price and known volumes of inventory on hand to
offer at known price and volume. So wheat could be
shut out this fall. The article (Where is the Pen) also
points out that previous pre harvest wheat prices
may be coming to an end with trends shifting
downwards. It'll be interesting to watch.
Pars, while I strongly supported the principle of
single desk selling and price pooling, I had for a
long time suggested to the Board that they be
willing to issue no cost export licenses to individual
farmers. The push back was that this would destroy
price pooling as cherry pickers would fill the
premium markets. My comeback was that the
alternative would be fatal. So for about 20 years
both the extreme lefties and righties pissed in my
coke. But, I was right, was I not? And we still have to
deal with the world's largest single desk marketer,
the US Dept. of Commerce.

[parsley]

1. The CWB had no problem cherry-picking
FARMERS to fill the Warburton contract which
was a premium market. Unless a farmer
genuflected CWB doctrine, there was no hope for
an ordinary farmer to contract.

2. The CWB could have easily issued export
licenses to easily identifiable certified organic
farmers. Instead they chose to expropriate the
industry. The lot of them can go straight to hell.
They abused their power, lost their common
sense and lacked business acumen, and yes,
because they were incredibly pig-headed, lost the
single desk itself.

I personally think the CWB as it was, lacked
ethics, if not centrally corrupt within it's bowels.
Just my humble opinion. The accounts set up
selling CWB bonds Directly to farmers had no
sales, offered interest rates higher than the
market could bear, and was administered by
highly educated professional managers who left
their jobs to sell bonds to farmers. I do not know
of one farmer who bought CWB bonds Do you?
And all the personnel I cross-checked sported
Liberal connections. At the very least, both the
investing-idea and associates were an incestuous
relationship

Lastly, rocky, you are wrong. Any single desk,
that is legislatively established, and administered
by shooting someone through the head, the ass,
or the pocketbook, is simply wrong, unethical and
immmoral. You see nothing wrong with it.

It's a little like agreeing attractive Newfoundlander
Group One is allowed to have children but ugly
Nunaviter Group Two is not. And all because the
people in Group One lobbied for the denial
legislation based upon looks.

We will not agree. I accept that.

But I do not want my business partners, such as
the CWB, to act in a manner I view as
abhorrent, which is why I am so very grateful the
divorce from the CWB is final for many of us The
good news is you can stay married to that ugly
rotten bloody bitch for as long as you wish. Pars
.

[wd9]

Wilagro, no point whining about what maybe
could have been, its over.

The discussion is over, the monopsony is
over, it will not come back.

Time to move on.

[rockpile]

Parsley: as Mr.Spock would say, your 'logic' is
completely 'illogical'. I sense there is less victory for
you in achieving an open market than in destroying
your arch enemy. Good luck in the future peddling
your organic snake oil bs. I expected more, but you
are just a vindictive little shrew who drinks too
much not so interested in building towards the
future compared to destroying and burying the
past, while stomping in triumph over the grave with
immortal self satisfaction. I'm actually more
interested in the challenges coming up and about
and the only ones I've seen looking ahead are
Charlie P. and Cott.
Go have a great day!

[LEP]

Wil you said

"Anyway without any quotas whatsoever the "hogs" will get their grain to
market and plug the elevators like in the olden days."

So you are old enough to have been around in the pre CWB days? I would
say that you and the rest of your crew at the home have seen your day,
time to move on and worry more about controlling bowel movements than
my grain deliveries.

[parsley]

Just as you did with Weber, you name call and
insult because you have neither the capacity to
debate the points, or the graciousness to
concede a point such as the one i made about
the Wheat Board themselves cherrypicking their
favourite farmers to supply Warburton.

You are a Wheat Board defender, and a single
desk defender. Now that we yanked that
toothache, I could care less.

As for vision, and looking forwards, I thought you
were able to observe that organics ambitiously
custom designed their own market , developed it,
regulated it, and are busy participating in
mainstream competition.

So, the 'forward looking' point you made....failed.

For the record, Rocky, and this is rather
humorous for me, I'm actually not a drinker, but I
do tip the occasional glass of wine, a few times
a month, and not even often refilled, In fact, I'm
known for my non-drinking which is outright funny
considering your presumption.

Yeaterday, you attacked Weber personally First.
Today, you attacked me personally. First.

It takes thinking and effort and logic to attack an
idea or a policy or a postulation. Otoh, t's easy to
attack the person: "You are fat and ugly and your
mother dresses you funny."

If you want to lash out successfully at someone,
you might try targeting their weak spot.

Btw, I regret having to suggest a promising tactic
for you to try.....
Parsley

[gregpet]

Nicely said Pars. What did you think of the Strikeforce fights?