Seed company liability limitations

[wd9]

Quote by fj:

Yes weather was the major influence in
canola crop this year, however some
varieties are total losers. Dekalb 7345
on adjoining quarters with 7375 and 5440
is half the crop, thin, flat on the
ground.
All had same weather, fertilizer, weed
free start.
Any one use Backtrack Investigations?

End quote.

When does the liability and or
responsibility of Dekalb, Pioneer, Bayer
etc end? If it has a germination of
greater than 90%, like the seeds act
says, is it sufficient?

I see the whole industry going out of
control, seed investigations at harvest?
Seriously?

I guess if we want to pay 20 bucks a
pound for seed, lets keep pushing the
fact that we as farmers, nature,
technique etc aren't the 95% of yield
determination.

The responsibility and risk of the
farmer is wrongly being transferred to
the seed company because we don't want
to take responsibility for ensuring a
variety is stable and a consistent
performer. We have lost the simple
concept of buyer beware and do some
research and personal trials before you
commit to a new variety.

Farmers try to grow 5 years of canola in
dirt loaded with disease, then they
blame the seed company. Really?

Where and when does the responsibility
of the seed company end?

[riders2010]

Oh those poor seed companies 10 bucks a pound are you kiddin. I agree with fjlp when you have side by side same everything and one variety is 50 100 or 200 bucks an acre less, something is wrong otherwise they can stick their variety checks and false advertising up their asses and pay for it as well. I had the same problem with 7345 as you fjlp last year cost me over 80,000 compared to other rr and liberty varieties. Should have done something about it. I have heard good results from back track but can get expensive make sure you have all your facts in order and you think you have a case before you hire jmho. I regret not doing something about it last year in my situation.

[wd9]

First of all they weren't side by side,
they were different fields. Put in a
proper trial then comment on 'the same'

And your neighbour probably had the
opposite results with 7345 doing better
then other RR and Lib varieties. when
did you spray? I see people spraying
almost to or at bloom. Loss of up to 40%
can occur just by a single dumbass move
like that. Should seed company
compensate for that too? Or swath when
its silage green cuz "we got so many
acres we gotta do it that way" and lose
anothe 10 to 20% yield.

Question is, again, where should the
liability of the seed company stop.
Because someone screws up a field should
the seed company pay for it?

[TOM4CWB]

WD9,

I agree there is no way it is fair to blame seed co's.

We had the same variety of Canola... pasted to the ground and short... 1 mile away was 4 feet high and a near perfect crop. Planted the same day. The short crop was even sprayed with proline. No difference where it was not... did 100ac of 140. Same fertility... and crop history for the last 4 years.

That is not the variety's fault... nor has anything to do with the seed co.

Cheers!

[haveapulse]

I believe we are seeing a variety of different performance issues due to increased disease pressure. I guess the message is: Check beyond the yield per acre line when selecting a variety. Perhaps seed more than one variety as we never know what pressures are fields are going to have when we seed. This year it was dry when we seeded, nearly 30 inches later and still raining today, the story is told.

[furrowtickler]

Agree wd9 with your thoughts. Way too many farmers want to point fingers avery where when things do not turn out, instead of looking at the real factors happening in their choices and feilds. As for DKL 73-45 , it has had weak legs from day one, but still yeilds good under low disease presure. But other r/r yeild as good or better and stand up much better. If you understand that you should also know that it will go down bad in high disease years. I still am baffled why guys that had it last year , bitched about it being short , then grew it again?? " They gave me a hell of a deal on the seed" -do ya think!!

[Burbert]

All Comedian framers want is a level
playing field. Then we kin compete wit
the best of dem. Now we got it, wes
wants seed company liability? Never
gonna happen, million reasons to deny
any all claims, weather er not ya like
it, framer probably did somethin wrong,
like kept poor records, didn't no what
he was doin, etc, etc......... Good
luck seed company liability, gimme a
break, you could only wish fer such an
concept....

[FarmRanger]

I think the heat combined with a dry spell took its
toll this year. We grew 73-45 in the same field as
45H31 and I can't see any difference on the yield
map between the two in the combine.

I'm not changing my rotation based on one bad
year. Just one of those years. Next year it'll be
better!

[riders2010]

You dont, think there are different lots of seed that are crappy left over from year previous etc etc. My 7345 was side by side and disease was not a factor did not seed those fields year prior had wheat and peas previous years so more than 4 year rotation. You guys must like it up the ass, next time I get some shit seed I'll keep some and sell it for 15 bucks a pound to you because that way you'll believe its better. lol

[Hopperbin]

to all you seed growers posting on this topic **** you.

[wd9]

I'm not a seed grower, but have done a
lot of trials over the years, properly
and side by side. I don't jump to the
newest bleeding edge varieties, i let
others make that mistake. Unfortunately
when there is new ones every year, its
getting hard to do.

I am concerned over the farmers that
have started the... if i'm big enough
and whine enough even though i ****ed up
my field, the seed company will comp my
seed.

I don't matter as i'm not 'important' to
a retailer of company and will NEVER get
my seed credited.

Trouble is, i'm paying for the ones that
do, and it really pisses me off!

[fjlip]

DeKalb 2013 seed guide states 7345 is 6.3 standability compared to 6.4 for 7375. 5.5 for L150, 5.6 for 45H29.
It's earlier and easier to swath and harvest.
What's not to buy?

I say that is NOT the seed I bought but some "twisted sister" reject, off breed.
Terrible quality control. Misrepresented in advertising.

Fields are next to each other, same seeding tool and depth, weather, fertilizer, rate, correct spray on time. Only diff is the seed.

5440 swathed today is 3 times the swath of 7345. Standing quite good.

[Hopperbin]

standability, yield, disease resistance and we pay for it. We bought it.

[Puckbag]

@ Hopperbin

I'm a seed grower...I'm not sure if I understand exactly where you are coming from when you tell me to eff off. Please enlighten me, I truly would like to know whats up.

[wd9]

I tend to put the seed in the bin, not
the swath.

Great comments and yup some real
frustrations too, somebody get Hopper a
drink, but where should the
responsibility of the seed company end?

At a crop stage? A date? If it
germinates in a lab to 90% does it stop
after the seed bag is put in your hands?
I would think the last one.

If you don't like a variety, don't grow
it again.

The first varieties sold out are the
newest and most expensive seeds. What
message does that send? Um, get a new
variety to be booked even before the
combine rolls on last years new variety.

Guess, what boys, its frickin working
and only gonna get worse.