Liberty 5440

[MBgrower]

My fertilizer, fungicide & insecticide bill on my soybeans this year was $0.00/acre. They yielded 45 bu/acre.

Canola production has become too expensive and risky. The yields are not no longer there.

[SASKFARMER3]

That's what the guys are finding here, the soy
made it and cost per acre is less, yield is their,
canola your time is up, see dand chem companies
screwed it.

[freewheat]

So what then when we get a typical year,
and you go whole hog soybeans? One
single year of luck for some of these
risk takers is not what will always
happen with soy. I have a neighbor, who
in desperation put a schwack of soy in,
(couldn't get credit), and he will look
brilliant this year. The other three
years he tried them were not real great,
12, 15 bushels of mushy crap...

I am just saying, I would not throw all
my eggs in the soy basket. One decent
year, does not a long term option make..
Just like canola this year. You can't
take a one year problem and just throw a
crop out the window. I suggest try an
actual rotation, and stop pushing the
rotation so hard. My four year canola
rotation canola, is my best, should be
over 40. My pushed rotation canola is
much worse, like 30 and less. Night and
day...

Do what you like, but I suggest caution,
I have seen WAY more soy wrecks, 3 or 4,
vs. this single year of half decent. The
converse is true for canola, at least in
my area...

[furrowtickler]

Beans are still 3 years years away from a low enough heat unit crop to be stable in most of Sask and Alberta. Reminds me of all the chickpea hype a few years back, then we have a cool summer - wich happens every 4 yrs or so and reality kicks in. Yes, they are getting close in maturity and it will come but not yet for all. Average heat units were higher than the 10 yr average i am guessing ??
I agree a good rotaion for some would be r/r soyabeans then clearfield/liberty canola then cereal of your choice. Why clearfield canola? Non - gmo and yield numbers are raising eyebrows all over. Kicked LL and RR by 8 bus on ave in a big area here this year - all S by S.

[farmaholic]

Freewheat, I agree, not every area or every year will be a soy year. Everyone thought they were going to grow chickpeas too. Soy will have a better fit when they shorten the maturity. Only other issue could be drought tolerance, besides heat lovers I hear they are water lovers as much.

My issue is not with the canola crop it is with the greedy pigs that keep ratcheting up the price of seed. There will be resistance. Canola could be twenty dollars a bushel, if you only grew ten bushels that doesn't cut it.

I was a staunch opponent to brown bagging but I am beginning to see peoples point. I've seen both, outright cleaned binrun and blending with certified seed used to plant a crop. Shove your patent protection!!

[farmaholic]

Sorry Furrow, I didn't mean to repeat your points, they were there when I came back to the tread after typing a response to Freewheat.

[furrowtickler]

All good, on same page.

[Daylate]

soys aren't crazy risky like you would think. 30 is doable in East central Sask. in any given year. in a few poorer years, (wet and cool) 2009 27bu. and 2010 29bu. they netted better than wheat for us,
and we put them on canola stubble which is less than ideal, but i was looking for a CWB substitution.
They're also great for recently rented,previously abused land. No N and hammer the roundup to it, 2L plus/ac. with no yield drag, and spray em when flowering if you want a third shot.

[farmaholic]

Daylate: Are soybeans as thirsty as they say, I heard they need alot of water.

[freewheat]

Hey furrow, which clearfield did you
like? I have been leaning this route for
next years crop. TIA!

Also I would like to add, I am in no way
condoning the ridiculous seed pricing
these days when I spoke above of the
risks of soybeans. I would not hesitate
to try a quarter of soy, but to go whole
hog at this point is not prudent to
me... Yet at least.

[Daylate]

To begin with.U need good moisture at seeding for
germination because they have to be planted
shallow so they're in warmer ground, therefore out
faster. (3/4 to 1") nobody south of the border would
recommend that. Second, they need some august
moisture. A rain that would be no good for your
peas are ideal for soys. With that being said, too
much late season rain can make them act a bit
indeterminent. This has been my experience but
we've only grown them in 4 different years with
never more than 300 ac. in a year.

[SASKFARMER3]

Hey guys just in from the combine. My point is
canola costs are getting out of hand for what the
new varieties are giving us in return.
In my perfect world it would be 3300 canola 3300
cereal and 3300 divided up between oats peas
beans.
Freewheat not thinking of going whole hog but
getting tired of canola a costs.

[Daylate]

Every year i grow them i get more confident with
them.

[farmaholic]

After talking to another fellow about this topic, he told me he could get it for $10.23/lb.($11.00 minus 7% early book discount payable Dec 31). I was honestly too busy laughing at the guy who quoted me(I had to ask twice for clarification, I was in the combine so I thought I never heard him clearly) to realize my quote of $11.80 probably qualified for the same terms, thus about $10.97/lb. What's up with the difference. I was suffering from Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price shock. Just like buying a vehicle/machinery, MSRP less rebates and discounts. They will never reduce the MSRP(remember pre and post 2008 pricing) but will discount it to make the consumer feel like they are getting a deal, what an insult to consumer intelligence!!! Oh yea, I can have the honor/luxury of paying for it at least 4 months before I need it, instead of getting terms of 30 days from when I pick it up in spring, in exchange for those tremendous discounts. Shame on me, I am so ungrateful!

There are alot of posters on Agriville compared to the contributors to this thread, you've got to wonder what the silent majority is thinking.

[Hopperbin]

I hear you, When I purchased the L150 just after new year I was wanting not to go with it, then the supplier manufacture combo came up with some scheme where I would get can't remember any more if it was extra bags of seed or was it free chemical of some sort to bring the seed cost under 10 a lb. At the end of planting I stuck about 12 bags of seed back up their ass. Now I dam near need help from my accountant to figure out just what dam happened.