Liberty 5440

[malleefarmer]

hey hopper been to canada a few times
llydminister and cochin and strasberg??
mostly mostly cattle ranches but you
guys dont double crop wheat?
is there not much money in wheat
comparitively please dont take that to a
single desk argument you know my views.
legume canola wheat wheat legume canola
wheat wheat is quite common in australia
legume usually peas or chickpeas lupins
or vetch lentils if you have the
climate.

[Klause]

Hopperbin, try 9553 for canola I got
a lot more bushels of big plump seed
outta that field than you thought I
would... !


We're going to be growing a Polish
hybrid next to 9553 for 2013... Much
lower seed cost and deliver end of July
/ start of August.

[Hopperbin]

Back in the days before RR and Liberty when the yellow mustard and cleavers showed up my dad just grew Wheat Wheat Fallow. The first crop wheat very little N if any produced a 40 bushel crop lots of straw. Second crop wheat was typically 30 bushel or little less with under 50 lbs of N. We cannot get away with such little N these days and learned when we upped it the yields also went up. Those were the days when farmers were typically spraying muster, lontrel, with treflan pre emergent applied for the Canola, was expensive at the time but can remember the seed was well under a buck a pound resale sometimes in the 5 dollar range. Dad did OK doing that and the fields were kept clean with the wheat wheat fallow. I had a quarter of second crop soft wheat last year that did every bit as good as the first crop beside it, was combining 2 fields into one and this is continuous cropping now. Typically I think we need to rotate. Also back in the day I remember a guy planting barley on barley and typically getting malt every year. He switched from 6 to 2 row varieties for the second crop and it worked for him.

[farmaholic]

Hopper: I appreciate the advancements in technology. But my thoughts are that has been bought and paid for a long time ago. If it smells and oinks like a pig its a pig, plain and simple.

[SASKFARMER3]

Seed in canola is getting way out of hand and the
only way to get them to listen is quit growing the
shit. Simple tell bayer and RR to f&@koff its my
farm and were sick of being f$&ked.
Sorry 11 or 12 a lb for substandard shit varieties
is BS.
Bring on soy etc or just go back to hrs, peas, oats
and throw in some lentils and flax and good bye
retarded sister canola?
They screwed up the system they screwed up a
great crop and can live with farmers telling them
to go to hell?
I'm. Sick and tired of getting it in the a$$ from
chem fert suppliers!

[MBgrower]

My fertilizer, fungicide & insecticide bill on my soybeans this year was $0.00/acre. They yielded 45 bu/acre.

Canola production has become too expensive and risky. The yields are not no longer there.

[SASKFARMER3]

That's what the guys are finding here, the soy
made it and cost per acre is less, yield is their,
canola your time is up, see dand chem companies
screwed it.

[freewheat]

So what then when we get a typical year,
and you go whole hog soybeans? One
single year of luck for some of these
risk takers is not what will always
happen with soy. I have a neighbor, who
in desperation put a schwack of soy in,
(couldn't get credit), and he will look
brilliant this year. The other three
years he tried them were not real great,
12, 15 bushels of mushy crap...

I am just saying, I would not throw all
my eggs in the soy basket. One decent
year, does not a long term option make..
Just like canola this year. You can't
take a one year problem and just throw a
crop out the window. I suggest try an
actual rotation, and stop pushing the
rotation so hard. My four year canola
rotation canola, is my best, should be
over 40. My pushed rotation canola is
much worse, like 30 and less. Night and
day...

Do what you like, but I suggest caution,
I have seen WAY more soy wrecks, 3 or 4,
vs. this single year of half decent. The
converse is true for canola, at least in
my area...

[furrowtickler]

Beans are still 3 years years away from a low enough heat unit crop to be stable in most of Sask and Alberta. Reminds me of all the chickpea hype a few years back, then we have a cool summer - wich happens every 4 yrs or so and reality kicks in. Yes, they are getting close in maturity and it will come but not yet for all. Average heat units were higher than the 10 yr average i am guessing ??
I agree a good rotaion for some would be r/r soyabeans then clearfield/liberty canola then cereal of your choice. Why clearfield canola? Non - gmo and yield numbers are raising eyebrows all over. Kicked LL and RR by 8 bus on ave in a big area here this year - all S by S.

[farmaholic]

Freewheat, I agree, not every area or every year will be a soy year. Everyone thought they were going to grow chickpeas too. Soy will have a better fit when they shorten the maturity. Only other issue could be drought tolerance, besides heat lovers I hear they are water lovers as much.

My issue is not with the canola crop it is with the greedy pigs that keep ratcheting up the price of seed. There will be resistance. Canola could be twenty dollars a bushel, if you only grew ten bushels that doesn't cut it.

I was a staunch opponent to brown bagging but I am beginning to see peoples point. I've seen both, outright cleaned binrun and blending with certified seed used to plant a crop. Shove your patent protection!!