CaseIH 8010

[riders2010]

Thousand percent yes Tom, if we all actually brain washed the public like the auto, oil, and other industries that our product was more valueable than theirs and acted together we could control the price easily. Wait a minute which one is more important food or a car?

[riders2010]

Oh yeah besides constant brainwashing, how do you think the price of a vehicle is 50,000 and oil 1.20 a litre? Not too complicated, when they want those prices they limit what the produce. We are too stupid as a group because we have been brainwashed into this high risk production to produce more and more, and as we have the possibility to produce more and more, more and more of the risk is passed to us.

[TOM4CWB]

Riders,

Your method (I assume the CWB 'single desk')
DID NOT WORK!

What right did you have to tell our family in late JULY/Aug 2012... that selling our 2011/2012 wheat for well over $9/bu... was wrong?

Western Canadians got big volumes of sales on the schedule... between willing buyers and sellers... in a transparent market place.

If you are so inclined not to sell... and to step in front of a loaded freight train going 60mph... it is your choice.

This is NOT my families nor farms FAULT.

With the most profitable fall harvest prices EVER... it is ironic that you feel you must tell me to jump in front of the freight train.

I for one am happy with a REASONABLE profit... and have rewarded the market in the appropriate manner.

If you NEED more for your grain... and you obviously feel the market owes you more than it has been willing to pay...

Then by all means... save your grain till the 'right' price is offered to you.

Whether there is 1000t, 100,000t or 1,000,000t of grain owned by folks like you... has little to do with the price of grain.

Grain markets are not LOGICAL... nor predictable. Chaos is surpreme.

There is NO way to predict future grain production fundementals... only 'average' probabilities... unlike livestock or car production for the vast majority.

Will it rain or snow next week? NEXT YEAR on this day or week? Your ability to know the weather next fall at this exact time... is as likely to be correct as knowing the exact price of the Wheat or Canola that day.

Not a comfortable proposition to ask my family to put into your hands.

Just what makes you Sooo Smart... that you know exactly when to sell our grain?

If not you... then whom???

Cheers!

[riders2010]

Your so paranoid over any mention of farmers working together instead of against one another, maybe some meds could be suggested.

The cwb did not use it's marketing power and did I ever say it did? It was a grand opportunity to do so and because it failed or maybe never ever intended to the extreme right nut balls will forever say how good it is now. Well Tom figure out the cost and income on 10 15 or 20 bushel canola? Figure out what it is really gonna cost this country when we are selling off farm land to the fn chineese just to appease oil deals.
And by the way for such a shortage of all these crops the market sucks the big one including wheat.

[TOM4CWB]

Riders,

Avoid the question, no answer is forthcoming (on how and when to sell)... because selling personal private property... is simply a personal private decision.

If the 'single desk' was a failed experiment... what are you expecting us to be involved in???

I am one that works with many farm people/families in private pools that share marketing risk.

We watch, wonder, and weigh the options.

We try to share a reasonable return on investment.

What more can anyone expect? What price is 'Fair' for both the buyer and seller?

How exactly would you determine what 'fair' prices (for both sides) are; Riders2010???

[Hopperbin]

Piss me off someone asks about an 8010 issue and we are talking about what???

[riders2010]

you are right hopper so last post here.

Fair Tom, how about the guy working his ass off not only in farming but any occupation just scraping by making money for the billionaire while he is sitting on a yaght spinning the story that the guy scraping by shouldn't get canada pension etc. when too old and crippled up to work and make more money for the billionaire.

Face it Tom capitalism is falling everywhere and it's not because of grandmas pension at 65 or 66 it's because the mega millionaires have taken and are taken way too much money out of everything. Is supply and demand dictating our price of grain, no manipulation by people that have money in order to make more money on paper is what is determining price. It's all a sham and scam the day to day people making just enough pennies to pay the bills without something going wrong are being duped to working not for themselves but for some ass hole with a silver spoon that feels he is entitled to be a millionaire for ever also.

[dubsy]

Marshall your problem is simple run a John Deere and you wont have problems. Good JD dealership close to you no?