sold into slavery UPOV91

[sawfly]

it is kinda funny
but the same thing is happening in the
pot business.

Harper is taking the business away from
1000s of small growers, that were producing and selling for 1-3 $ gram.

now corporations are getting to grow and sell it for 4-12 $ a gram.

a corporate monopoly or cartel.
(what else is new)

then we get to build prisons to house and feed those that do not want to pay the 12$.gram.
putting efficient producers out of work.

just like us , under threat of law to feed the corporation

[SASKFARMER3]

It will be Canola all over again. Went from under $1 a lb to $14.00 a lb and only thing I can strait cut this variety but if it has problems they say so sorry and drop it and farmer left in ditch. Just like L150.

Watch!

[Hopperbin]

Are we going to see the day we cannot purchase serial seed treatment either so they force us to purchase new seed? Will we need a tua or an amount of seed purchased to purchase the herbicides?? Could get nasty.

[SASKFARMER3]

Some of these Smart farmers that are advising Ritz don't get whats happening.
Its Canola all over. I use to be able to buy seed treatment for Canola when we started growing it. Those varieties were good and had yields that were good like last year. But we didn't give them the Fert or disease or sprays we have today. I still say if we could get some and grow and show guys that the new varieties are all fluff maybe then this wouldn't pass.
Here is what will happen.
1. New variety some two years out that wow in test plots some 40 around provinces were evaluated and the final result some 15 out of 15 (25 were dropped) show a yield increase of 40% over the test.
Buy the new seed see it works and you gain Price 20 a bushel no seed saving sorry their is a TUA of 15 a bushel on the saved so buy new why spend 5 for old seed.
Drop varieties like a hot potato and make up some BS that these varieties led to extra disease or midge or what ever BS they can think of.
Within 10 years farmers in Canada are paying 100 an acre to seed companies based on 3 bus seeding rate.
Generation that new better dead and gone farming goes on.

[TOM4CWB]

Once again... your conspiracy theories lack factual basis.

Some seed info on UPOV91;
Q. Do PBR amendments benefit only the private sector ¨C big companies?

A 45% of all of the agricultural varieties protected under current PBR were developed at public institutions.
Agriculture and Agri©Food Canada; Universities and Provincial research facilities all receive royalties from PBR protected varieties they have developed. The amendments in Bill C©18 will also improve the investment
environment for public institutions.

Q. Will PBR amendments mean that farmers will have to pay royalties on everything they plant?

A. Farmers will always have choice. Just as plant breeders can choose whether or not to protect their inventions(new varieties) with PBR, farmers have the choice to not use PBR protected varieties. You can find a list of PBR protected varieties on the Plant Breeders¡¯ Rights Office website.

Q. Will farmers have to pay royalties on harvested grain?

A. Bill C©18 says that if the propagating material (seed) was obtained and used without the authorization of the
breeder, the breeder can exercise his/her rights on the harvested material (grain). This includes collecting a
royalty.

Q. Will PBR amendments prevent farmers from saving seed?

A. Bill C©18 specifically provides for a ¡°Farmers¡¯ Privilege¡±.
Section 5(c) permits farmers to produce, reproduce and condition
harvested material produced on their own farms to use as seed on
their own farms.

The sale of farm saved seed has always been illegal, and will continue to be illegal.

[TOM4CWB]

More issues dealt with:

Q. Will PBR amendments allow plant breeders to patent all of their
material?

A. Plant Breeders’ Rights (PBR) are not patents. Unlike patents, plant breeders
who use PBR are required by law to allow other breeders to use their protected varieties for research and to develop new varieties. Also unlike patents, PBR allows farmers to save harvested material for use as seed on their own farms.

Background on Plant Breeders’ Rights and the Union for the Protection of New Plant Varieties (UPOV)
• UPOV has 71 member countries
• 80% have ratified UPOV 1991
• Others have legislation that complies, not yet ratified
• Canada is one of only 2 developed country members of UPOV that does not operate under
UPOV 1991, despite signing the convention in 1992
Canada is at a disadvantage with trading partners, and potential investors. UPOV 1991 Provides
Canada with an IP protection tool box that is more in line with that of our competitors

Complying with UPOV 1991
The Breeder’s Right
What it UPOV 1991 does:
• Requires the Breeder’s authorization (can include paying a royalty) for:
- Production or reproduction of seed of the protected variety
- Conditioning for purposes of propagation
- Offering for sale and sale
- Stocking for purposes of sale
- Exporting or importing

What it doesn’t do:
• Restrict the use of protected varieties for any experimental purposes or any private, noncommercial
purposes (such as subsistence farming)

• Allow breeders to unreasonably restrict access to protected varieties the action is not in the public interest

- if a breeder unfairly or unreasonably refuses to grant a license for a protected variety, the individual requesting the license can apply for a compulsory license from the Plant Breeders’ Rights Office Growing for the World Une Croissance Axée Sur le Monde

Farmer’s Exception

What UPOV 1991 does:
• Adds a clear clause giving countries the ability to provide a farmer’s exception to the parts of the Breeder’s Right

http://cdnseed.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/UPOV-1991-What-it-Does-and-Doesnt-Do.pdf

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom your a seed grower right, follow the money!
Honestly you believe it won't be the same as
canola!

[grower99]

Questions: Can I save my own seed? If
so, is there cost per bushel to use my
own seed? How will the initial price for
seed be established? What will the end
point royalties be? How long will end
point royalties be collected on a
variety?Will the federal govt and
possibly grower groups help fund a
parallel breeding program like we have
now where I can buy certified seed,grow
it for as long as I want and pay no end
point royalties? If the answer to the
last question is no then canola model
here we come!

[Choice2U]

Can you not still buy a non-hybrid canola for cheap and plant it? I believe you can but those that complain about $14/lb still buy it because it makes them more money than buying the cheap stuff. What am I missing here?

[sawfly]

tom fails to mention, that to get any canola variety ,
we have to sign away any rights to
reuse for seed.

stop pretending we have an option.
the only option in canola is 4 ancient
variety's that do not even have blackleg resistance..
and you have no option to treat them.either


that is the freedom tom talks about.

what ever the rules state.
it does
no prevent a company from requiring,
that you sign away those rights.
to use their seed.

which they all do , with canola .

you think it will be any different .

and who regulates , whether new patents are granted. (how much change is enough)
is it a committee of the seed company s ,with a token bought off farmer.
can anyone from any where play this game. without license fees in the millions of dollars.
then only to be rejected by the
committee .

we have heard all this before, with canola.
patents even were supposed to expire. and lots of choice
of course. that happened , right .

for us to expect a different result, this time.
then we are pretty stupid

don't need land or machinery
or labor to make money in AG
just need the golden rule
make the rules , get the gold

[sawfly]

this is just the beginning guys.

we see , how invigor, jumps 2$
and everyone else follows along.

they call that competition.
wait till they get a hold of everything
else.
they always have butt covered.
rules regulations border controls.
nobody else is gonna play in their sandbox.

[mbdog]

sold into slavery UPOV91

Tom...good explanation.

The "privilege" is a bit vague in it doesn't say specifically seed can be reused for export grain...I believe it says farm use. Not sure how to interpret this. Your thots? Maybe I read wrong.

[mbdog]

Tom...good explanation.

The "privilege" is a bit vague in it doesn't say specifically seed can be reused for export grain...I believe it says farm use. Not sure how to interpret this. Your thots? Maybe I read wrong.

[mbdog]

Tom...good explanation.

The "privilege" is a bit vague in it doesn't say specifically seed can be reused for export grain...I believe it says farm use. Not sure how to interpret this. Your thots? Maybe I read wrong.

[helpinghand]

Farmers did this to themselves, plain and simple. If growers would have bought seed, kept it and used it for 20 years the seed co's would not care. The issue is guys like SF3 that clean up seed and sell it to neighbors. Growers are not happy playing by the rules put forward as PBR so end point checkoff is only solution. Like i said we did it to ourselves. Thank goodness I will be retired by the time all this comes into effect.