Cliven Bundy

[farmaholic]

Nope, it's farmer's wallets their sights are set on.

[sawfly]

maybe tom has some points on registration
of varieties .
i admit i am no expert.
but when you read it it , it sounds as if it is illegal.

however we have seen what has happened with canola , can we expect anything different here .
not likely.

would it really kill this gov.
to specifically protect farmers , in this bill.
seems pretty one sided for
the seed sellers

[wd9]

sawfly, can you in plain English describe
how UPOV91 is giving any more rights to
the holder of the variety then already
exists in UPOV78 and current PBR
legislation?

[sawfly]

.
there is the right to collect at sale.
this turns what we have now with a one time royalty.

into a yearly royalty. collectable
every year the variety is planted.
.

just like canola , where you sign away your rights ,to replant when purchasing seed.

now op upov91 varieties will have to pay
royalties each year. even cleaning it yourself.(that is the plan)
pretty easy to see

the ground work is done with upov91

like i have stated before.
they will be nice to us at first .
(fees/ etc.)
probably even buy us dinner.

that combined with doing everything in their power to rid us of the older free stuff.
and with Harpers help
(closing the public wheat breeding)

buying out any competition, locking down the genetics,(just like we saw with canola)

once that is accomplished, then they
can turn the screws on rates and terms so we are exactly like canola.

it will play out exactly the same as canola did.
but to make it worse , then they will have control of everything you could possibly plant.

you have no choice but to pay whatever they want.


now if what we are going to get
from the private breeders is going to be so f ing wonderful.

then why can they not stand to have the public wheat breeder around.

if that does not tell you what the plan is , then you had better wake up.

this whole thing just reeks.

if it is not supposed to work like i have stated .

then say so in the bill,
keep the public breeding.
put in guarantees, to access
varieties.

how can you not see it.

just look at canola and repeat

[sawfly]

another thing
i do not know for sure.
if the law applies the same

but what if the free trade agreement
would prevent us from ever getting back into public breeding.

same reason we could not nationalize the railway or any industry, without being sued for commercial damage compensation .

if we were to do public breeding again .

the gov. can be sued for the seed co.s lost revenue and potential revenue .

if you look at canola
what kind of potential revenue is at stake here.

billions

that might explain why Harper is so quick to kill Gov. breeding.

i get so sick of Mulroney and Harper selling out our sovereignty.
to corporate friends

[bucket]

That's the part the conservatives will say "...but we didn't know..."

Because they don't understand the term "due diligence".

[bucket]

Canada would be better served with people that stood up for our interests rather than always using terms like " well this is what it takes to belong"

This country needs to grow up, and start influencing the rest of the world with what made Canada a successfull country.

It wasn't by following the herd.

We are a young country and if you compare it to junior coming home to farm, sometimes its better to let junior try out the ideas. It has made alot of good farms better.

I don't like other countries dictating what happens here for their own benefit.

NAFTA helped but no one knows how much it has tied our hands either.

If the rest of the free trade agreements come on line we are still not prepared to meet the demands anyway.

Canada has to start looking inside itself and work on its internal problems.

[wd9]

Sawfly, what do you want to see? If not
royalties, how do you generate the
millions required to breed new varieties
and traits? should the gov pay for it
all? What is the farmers responsibility
to pay and how much?

An Act is just an Act, but a sound
business model with advancement in
cereals development, isn't that the real
endgame?

Please, i'm not a seed grower, work for
monsanto, in government, don't profit
from seed in any way so please don't go
there. Just a farmer who wants access to
and wants to see new and better cereal
varieties.

[grower99]

At what cost is accessing these new
"super" varieties ok with you? If the
cost and contract conditions are too one
sided what other options will you have in
5,10,15 years?

[wd9]

It greatly concerns me that the trend is to cower in the corner from
fear of seed companies and royalties yet not a post on farmers'
perfect timing opportunity right now to own and control a big chunk
of cereal breeding in Canada.

It shows to me farmer owned breeding won't work in Canada rather
then using the advantages within UPOV91 to create a strong farmer
owned breeding program for cereals - with no EPR!

And yes, it works in other counties, but in Canada, probably not.

[bucket]

It works in other countries where they have trouble meeting their own needs.

When you are exporting country like Canada and your importing costomers can set the rules as to what enters their country, it may be a little more difficult.

Any excuse will do.

We have witnessed it already.

[grower99]

What steps are needed to establish a
farmer owned and controlled breeding
program in a political environment which
is being tipped in favour of a few
corporations?