Cliven Bundy

[parsley]

Pedigreed cattle breeders enjoyed their own
fiefdom, whereby they finagled a monopoly on
bull usage. Legislation made it illegal to use a
"scrub" bull.

The teaming of the government,(always trying to
"listen" and "help") and the greedy, but both
stupid, guaranteed eventual failure, but
unfortunately not before many commercial
cattlemen were fined, and forced to buy
substandard bulls compared to thee own home
raised bulls.

A scheme is a scheme. Is a scheme. Maybe if
they invented a new word for scheme, it would be
more ...

[wd9]

sawfly, its great to identify the problem
over and over, but what in your view is
the solution?

[charliep]

On the public breeding side, the issue is not facilities/location but rather succession planning/human capacity and ability to bring to market. On the people side, plant breeders will go where the research money is be it public or private. We have to create an environment where plant breeders see Canada and cereals research as a good career choice. Takes a long time to develop this capacity. On the commercialization side, western Canada needs to look at how new cereal varieties are introduced.

[TOM4CWB]

Charlie et,el;,

I was speaking with Dr Hucl (CDC Saskatoon)
yesterday.

Breeding CWRS is a long tough road to a new variety...
still 10-11 years.

Public breeding needs a baseline contribution ... but as
with RR gmo discoveries... which came from public
CDN research... if new ways work well there is a large
school of thought that Private competition will speed
the technology's delivery to the farm gate far faster
than Gov controlled management.

It is very hard to argue this logic is flawed. Hence the
'Science Clusters' which reward innovation with
funding more than past primary research.

With all the growing amounts of Soybeans and Corn in
Manitoba... it is truly hard to defend having the
mainstay of Cereal development in the Red River
Valley.... PERIOD.

Dr Hucl expressed concern that a baseline of cereal
breeding be maintained. The US experience is that
private plant breeding interests wane and surge in the
cereal world. Hence the need to keep a baseline of
public capacity on line. Land Universities in the US are
now that baseline... as we also have plant breeding
capacity in our Canadian universities.

As food production has become a trillion $$$
industry... and integration in the food production chain
becomes more important as time marches on... it is
very hard to argue with a system that best supplies the
needs of those who sell the produce to consumers.

Is the CGC right? Is CIGI right?

Older CWRS Varieties had weaker Gluten strength... as
well as some newer releases. Some markets clearly
need stronger Gluten strength... and the DNS US Hard
red meets the need better than CWRS at this time... is
SOME cases.

Sooooo... the basis we pay now... has much more to do
with a complex situation of many factors... NOT just
the lack of freight capacity to the CDN west coast...
which by the way has NO black oil shipments.

Plant breeding is an expensive difficult game.
Especially in Canada. If you could figure out where
wheat will be at in 10 years on quality requirements...
you could be a billionaire.

I ask...Will folks phase out wheat from their diets???

Interesting times... often throwing money at something
to see where it sticks.... is problematic and
counterproductive.

Just saying.

Have a great day!

[cottonpicken]

Cliven Bundy

There may be a chance this name will go down in
history.

[wd9]

Tom, should farmers have a large stake in
ownership of cereal breeding in Canada?
Partner with government, even industry?

[TOM4CWB]

wd9,

Yes farmers already do have a large stake in development of wheat varieties in western Canada. WGRF. Alberta Wheat Commission GF2 $25M Science Cluster progam. Alberta Barley Commission Science Cluster funding and the Millions spent in Lacombe AFC research station with cooperation of Alberta Ag.

Asking for a return from those who benefit from the advancement in genetic enhancements we pay for.. to continue value based grower backed funding... should be a 'no brainer'.???

If we won't put our money in... why should people who have no personal reason to fund wheat varieties?

What have I missed???

[TOM4CWB]

Hanity on Cliven Bundy Ranch


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[tmyrfield]

a government big enough to give you anything you want is big enough to take everything you have away

[cottonpicken]

American politics are a lot bigger than what you see
on the surface mainstream news..

Reports of 5000 miltia men could be headed there to
confront the feds,i've heard the number of militia
men could be as high as 10 million.

There is a powder keg ready to go off down there.

[wd9]

Any relation to Al bundy?

[bgmb]

Sounds like one stubborn SOB appears he will not be giving in.

[Hopperbin]

Couldn't the USA gov't just wait a few years for him to have a heart attack.

[Horse]

Sounds as if they have the same problems we have . Those on crown land for free and get pissed if anyone should sujest they actuly pay for what you use.
Hell mabey I wont pay my taxes? think I will get the milita support?

[mbdog]

Just another example of government think tank finding ways to tax without looking in a mirror.
Not sayin Cliven doesn't owe something, buy it takes a real rocket scientist tin badge beurocrat to dream up a million dollar liability case out of useless desert.
This is exactly what is wrong in THIS country.
The story is retarded....I side with Cliven.