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[dmlfarmer]

fjlip Yes, volcano do cool the earth because of sulfate particles in the upper atmosphere. No argument. I was simply responding to Bravehearts claim that they put out more C02 than humans. That statement has been scientifically discredited and I get upset when persons make claims that sound right but are totally wrong, be it the hockey stick graft for climate change or the volcano myth against climate change. Spreading myths is what prevents us from ever addressing the real problem (if there even is one) and finding solutions.

[Braveheart]

I'll stand by the volcano theory. It makes sense.

So what about China and India? Heavy emitters. Our lives get overtaxed and restricted and those countries are not scrubbing, reducing, or taking any steps to be better enviro citizens.

[grassfarmer]

Braveheart, I agree India doesn't need as much energy consumption for heat as Canada. How about comparing Canada to the Ukraine or Poland which have a more similar climate? Canada 7.6T versus Ukraine 2.8T or Poland 2.6T ??

Sorry but we are not in a position to preach about how clean we are.

[Braveheart]

We're not clean. Just cold. Poland and Ukraine likely shiver. I'm sure they don't leave their Duramaxes idling at the curling rink for 6 or 8 hrs.

Please understand me personally. We recycle everything we can. We lower thermostats. No idle. Do zero till. Don't take out trees unless we plant more somewhere. We try hard to reduce/reuse.

I raise my voice because I dont like bending theories to fit anti corporate, anti capitalism agendas. It needlessly hurts middle class families trying to get by. They can ill afford more taxes or higher gas prices or heating costs.

Envriro bullies are still bullies.

[farmaholic]

Does Ukraine or Poland's economies and lifestyles/affluence even allow them to be as heavy emitters as North Americans?

[blackpowder]

My hired hand ia from Poland. And hes damn glad to be here!
Ask a driller whos been over there.
Anyway happy Canada Day.

[cottonpicken]

wake up,we just dont know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1FUraLn4v0&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

[grassfarmer]

Braveheart, by your actions I can see we are more similar than different.
I chuckled though at your comment about "bending theories to fit anti corporate, anti capitalism agendas. It needlessly hurts middle class families trying to get by. They can ill afford more taxes or higher gas prices or heating costs."

It goes along with my previous post about the mafia style electricity pricing in Alberta. It could be described as just bending theories to fit corporate, "free-market", capitalist agendas - it also has the effects you describe on families.

The more I see, the more I'm convinced there is not much difference between extreme right and extreme left.

So farmaholic, the right to be an emitter has to be earned, lol?

[farmaholic]

Grassfarmer. Nope, just a comparative question or observation. We live in a part of the world that has the political, economic, environmental and lifestyle ingredients that make us high energy users. Not saying that makes it right, we just do. Distances too far to walk. Climate that requires alot of supplemental heat. Lavish lifestyles( drive anywhere for anything, airconditioning, "artificial" ice,......), Developement of natural resources that require large amounts of the same.

Are we powerless to affect change, either negative or positive?

[seabass]

If u doubt that volcanoes and other natural phenom don't have more of an impact than humans just remember what happened in 1993. We as humans never did that on our own. Go back in history and its happened before and will happen again.
There is no doubt we have heated things up but I believe the earth and mother nature have there own plan. We just play along as she determines.