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    Canola do you spray Fungicide on a shitty crop or not?

    About last Friday the Emails started from different companies telling me that I have to spray my canola crop. Then on Monday the following from the Canola council.

    Canola growers with moisture-stressed crops have had to decide whether they have the yield potential to justify applying a fungicide.

    The wet conditions across the province are conducive for sclerotinia infection.

    "The prevalence of sclerotinia is basically directly correlated to moisture conditions, in particular the amount two weeks before and throughout flowering. So a large majority of Manitoba is in a high moisture situation and at an elevated risk of sclerotinia infection," says Angela Brackenreed, agronomy specialist with the Canola Council of Canada.

    She notes for some fields growers are facing a difficult decision on whether a fungicide application is economical.

    "It's a really tricky question. For some fields it will be obvious while others will be on the cusp," says Brackenreed. "The general rule for sclerotinia is the yield loss will be about half of the percent of infection. If you were to have 20 percent infection, you'd see about a 10 percent yield loss."

    Fungicide applications are preventative so a producer has to estimate yield potential and sclerotinia risk, she explains.

    Brackenreed also notes leaving a check-strip can help with similar decisions in future years.

    So lets do the math using their calculations.

    60 bus potential with 20% disease will take 6 bushels or leave farmer with 54 crop.

    6 x 10 = 60 - 30 app and sprayer so you get a extra 3 bushel a acre.

    30 crop with the 20% disease taking 10% or 3 bushels.

    3 x 10 = 30 - 30 its a break even. But leave a strip so you can see you supported a industry who doesn't give a shit about you.

    Now in our area I hate to break the news to some but 20 is going to be peak.

    20 x 20% is 10% loss of yield or 18

    2 x 10 = 20 - 30 your loss is $10.00 a acre.

    Hm is all I can say.

    Yes if we had miracle and this crop would magically make a canola plant where it drowned out appear and produce a crop that would be great.

    So as the calls and emails continue think about the crop you have its mid july and its still not flowering you say. Hm its F%^ked.

    Having some one who actually cares about you as a farmer come out and check your fields instead makes sense.

    Believing Bull shit from these guys just keeps feeding the pig.

    One other comment since on quad ride yesterday checking crops the smell of lorsban was in the air.
    Ah a field that's headed and flowering is to late for application of lorsban for midge.

    #2
    Nope. Looked in best crop a while back and couldn't find any apothecia. Most crops have a poor canopy so with the lower humidity I don't think sclerotinia will go wild and the potential isn't there anyway. Forecast hot and dry too.
    Money will go to harvest fuel or whatever.

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      #3
      I first ask myself if there's any potential profit in the first place, need to run your own numbers. If the crop has not canopied the ground and direct sunlight can penetrate to the soil the apothecia can't survive unless it stays wet and dark... if it turns hot and dry (which looks like it will in my area) chances of infection are reduced although not alleviated.

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        #4
        Does anyone else here think there's a difference between the two main types of canola regarding the degree of susceptibility? My neighbors across the road had a very thick canopy (about 12") with huge leaves as it was starting to bolt, mine had much smaller leaves, looked thin, and you could still see the rows. Ours bolted 1-2 days ahead of the neighbors, now 2weeks later mine looks every bit as thick, and you wouldn't know the difference regarding the amount of growth that took place earlier.

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          #5
          Some of the neighbors are spraying in this area...But they also spend all the $$$ they can on there crops...

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            #6
            I would put in terms of how much additional yield to you think you can compare benefit relative to cost. Assuming $10/acre fungicide/application cost (you put the real number in), applying fungicide increases yield by ___ bushels per acre or ___ $/acre.

            I might also look at where you sit relative to crop insurance coverage. If your crop is so poor you will be collecting crop insurance payments anyway, you might choose to save your money.

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              #7
              Why do people spend more money on a crop when in a crop insurance claim territory. Cut your losses and think about your pocket book not the chemical company's. There won't be any sclarotina on the crop because there is no leaves for the flower pedels to land on to infect the plant. Save your money!!!!!!

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                #8
                Another thing to consider is the maturity date. I've seen allot of really late crops and adding another two weeks till mature might not be a good thing. Getting 35 bushels of #1 is better than 38 of feed.

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                  #9
                  I had an agronomist tell me to make sure you get a 3:1 payback.
                  If you just break even on the investment it is a waste of time.

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                    #10
                    Canola 'round here is shutting down flowering already... The early stuff.

                    You can see rows of flowers. There is clear sun to the ground. What's the point?

                    No disease risk and many canola fields won't break 20 bpa.

                    Lots of the pretty wheat around here that looked great at the start grew lots of leaf material and a big bushy plant that it can't sustain now. Pull a plant the roots look like a 3 leaf plant. Not a headed one.

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                      #11
                      We should do a poll on what if their is no more rain coming,lots of ****ed acres now from flood what if no more rain?

                      My guess average to slightly above,Mbratrud maybe has a better idea,that area looks great.

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                        #12
                        Oliver, I agree 3 to 1 is the minimum on high percentage products. When we start talking about what if type novel products I like to see something closer to 5:1.

                        Around here the top foot is dry, the second foot is about 50% and the third foot is ok...on the level. 10 more days without rain could be bad news.

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                          #13
                          3:1 payback would mean for a $20/ac application and chemical cost you would have to get $60, on wheat? Who would ever spray then? Better odds with canola and the higher/bu price. 5:1 ????
                          In the fall when you "offer" your grain(cereals) to the Pirates and they pick it apart with a magnifying glass, tweezers and hand sort a weighed sample..... I've never seen a group of people demand so much and offer so little.

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                            #14
                            Ding! Ding! Ding! Why do I want to spend my time to go to town spend my money, run my sprayer, trample some crop on the off chance Co dictionary line up perfect and if I spend $20 I'll make $40 to net $20. That said there's more to getting a return than just yield. 5:1 is for those snakoil $5-10 products.

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                              #15
                              If it's a garuntee that you won't lose money and there is a chance you can get 2 or 3 to 1 return will you do it?

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