Ritz just told all us flooded farmers to F&@k Off!

[TOM4CWB]

We pay low taxes.

Agr whatever has no premiums.

We got exactly what we paid for.

In hindsight we could have bought excess rainfall insurance providers in the past have insured drought etc.

Like buying Puts. Who did it?

[TOM4CWB]

Unnatural weather events?

Are you kidding me?

10 inch rainfall months are common in many parts of global ag production area historically. We usually farm in the desert here.

[Braveheart]

There you Bucket, some good suggestions.

What I would like to see is very basic. Start from the top down. That means having a goal or vision on what ag/rural Canada should look like and work backwards. Once you do that, the gaps get filled in address all the needs, from drowned out crops to Breadwinners unfortunate flood out. Currently, everyone just lurches from one reactionary disaster to the next.

Of course this is a 180 change and wouldn't immediately provide relief.

[farmaholic]

Braveheart, not completely true in oil rich provinces today, maybe so in the past. Also the fact there are ALLOT of people hanging on the Ag tit is probably why the industry is supported. When we are net exporters how many farmers do you think Canada needs to feed itself. Its the economic activity we create or is created directly because of what we do is why Ag gets the support it does, ever so little it is today.

We don't do crop insurance, past history tells us we feel we can handle the risk. We haven't qualified for Ag-Instability since the frost of 2004 and that event wouldn't have wiped us out either. We, as Producers, are playing a high stakes poker game that makes Vegas look like child's play and not everyone can afford to take that gamble without some sort of backstop, to each their own.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket

How much does good farm land cost in Iowa?

Check that out.

$15k an acre?

Capitalized into the land it is.

[saskcanfarmer]

Tom - I used to think you were a smart guy. Slowly I have realized you are an idiot. That is all.

[grassfarmer]

I don't agree Bucket, that's asking for a true socialist system - backed by Government so no-one ever loses out. We all have choices - we can buy land that floods, we can buy land that regularly droughts or we can buy some that does neither - it's all priced accordingly. We can choose to grow field crops or we can grow grass up to a horses belly and graze it with animals. Unbelievable how much water a healthy, species diverse pasture ecosystem can soak up. These are all management decisions the owner can make. In my experience Government programs and subsidies handicap the better operators and help the poorer ones in an flawed attempt to keep everyone equal. It's the socialism so many of you claim to despise.

[bucket]

Socialism is when everyone averages out.

I am suggesting quarter by quarter appropraite insurance.

My first 20 years of farming required begging for a rain. Now its the opposite.

I don't think any management system can work when mother nature blows a gasket.

[TOM4CWB]

Saskcan

Sorry reminders of reality bothered you.

I am shouldn't confuse folks with the truth you are saying.

Thanks anyway.

Cheers

[bucket]

saskcanfarmer

I concur with your assessment, but you know he has the ear of RITZ.

Its all starting to make sense now - isn't it?

[SASKFARMER3]

Tommy boy. You just don't get it. We have been here before and know what the out come will be. Flooded canola never comes back and the wheat probably will freeze since it's late. You seem to live in la la land Alberta fine we all choose our location. Up to 2004 the area I farm was like yours land of peaces and honey!
Americans look after their farmers then it's industry down. Here it's industry and their foot is on our neck.
My comment is the Feds don't give a rats ass about our problems. It wasn't something I did it's a flood that dropped close to a foot if water in three days.
The programs in place never will pay when your margin continues to drop like the last 5 to 8 flood years.
Live in our shoes and your smart ass attitude would change! I never thought in my wildest dreams Mother Nature would wreck a farm.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom your comments show you have no clue.
So keep telling ritz all is fine and his programs work! Then when your blesses with 8 years of shit we will see how smart you turn out to be.