Ritz just told all us flooded farmers to F&@k Off!

[grassfarmer]

I don't agree Bucket, that's asking for a true socialist system - backed by Government so no-one ever loses out. We all have choices - we can buy land that floods, we can buy land that regularly droughts or we can buy some that does neither - it's all priced accordingly. We can choose to grow field crops or we can grow grass up to a horses belly and graze it with animals. Unbelievable how much water a healthy, species diverse pasture ecosystem can soak up. These are all management decisions the owner can make. In my experience Government programs and subsidies handicap the better operators and help the poorer ones in an flawed attempt to keep everyone equal. It's the socialism so many of you claim to despise.

[bucket]

Socialism is when everyone averages out.

I am suggesting quarter by quarter appropraite insurance.

My first 20 years of farming required begging for a rain. Now its the opposite.

I don't think any management system can work when mother nature blows a gasket.

[TOM4CWB]

Saskcan

Sorry reminders of reality bothered you.

I am shouldn't confuse folks with the truth you are saying.

Thanks anyway.

Cheers

[bucket]

saskcanfarmer

I concur with your assessment, but you know he has the ear of RITZ.

Its all starting to make sense now - isn't it?

[SASKFARMER3]

Tommy boy. You just don't get it. We have been here before and know what the out come will be. Flooded canola never comes back and the wheat probably will freeze since it's late. You seem to live in la la land Alberta fine we all choose our location. Up to 2004 the area I farm was like yours land of peaces and honey!
Americans look after their farmers then it's industry down. Here it's industry and their foot is on our neck.
My comment is the Feds don't give a rats ass about our problems. It wasn't something I did it's a flood that dropped close to a foot if water in three days.
The programs in place never will pay when your margin continues to drop like the last 5 to 8 flood years.
Live in our shoes and your smart ass attitude would change! I never thought in my wildest dreams Mother Nature would wreck a farm.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom your comments show you have no clue.
So keep telling ritz all is fine and his programs work! Then when your blesses with 8 years of shit we will see how smart you turn out to be.

[TOM4CWB]

Sf3

The weather you got happens in the corn belt regular.

They tiled. Ontario the same

Cheers

[ado089]

I can't speak for the other provinces but in saskatchewan our crops insurance is laughable if not sad. My experience is likely worse than others though since being a new farmer meant using area averages. But my biggest problem is the premium to coverage ratio. Holly shit how many people claim to have that number be close to 50% before government contribution. Secondly coverage erosion over multiple years of inclement weather. We all know that it's not the random bad year that will sink us, it's the 3-5 year stretch of flooding,drought, frost, ect. Maybe if the government is going to insist on being involved in insurance they should just match the risk management tool of the growers choice, eweather risk, options, global agrisk, hail, ect. That way coverage can be tailored to each area's or farm's individual needs.

[Klause]

Actually the last time iowa got a foot of rain in one event was three years ago and they flooded out.


Drainage tile gets overloaded too.


The UK had mass floods a few years ago for thr same reason



Where we used to farm in Manitoba getting 300-450 ml of rain a year was normal... but when it started coming in a period of 10 to 15 days we were hooped.



Hard to understand when you've never dealt with it.


Oh yeah Manitoba has a bunch of drainage tile.

[SASKFARMER3]

Tom you really are a idiot!
Wow is all I can say.
You want to play the USA car fine. Our land would be like Kansas your probably Wyoming!
USA support their farmers by huge amounts canada lip service.
So yes if my relatives would have quit walking north west yes I guess my whole farm would be tiled like down their .
Keep living with those rose colored glasses because some day you'll get what's happening here when it happens to you. I never thought it could but the horror show continues.
Like you say cheers. **** that's stupid.

[TOM4CWB]

ado,

Called Agri Invest. matched funds.

Crop Ins is meant to average out things... as is hail ins. Use it for what it is meant for... not for profit...but to average income out.

[farmaholic]

When things are, or appear to be(because of denial), so good in some peoples Utopia, apathy of fellow mans burdens and plights can set in. Release the lions...

[bucket]

The fields in IOWA are tiled to a river system. Iowa is about a quarter the size of Saskatchewan and grows a shitload more grain than Alberta and Saskatchewan combined.

They are also home to some blue chip companies that are agriculture based.

The small towns are peppered with machine shops that do piece work for John Deere and Case. The rural communities are thriving because they give a shit about agriculture in the states - its a money maker.

Canada hasn't realized it, and never will.

The quad cities in iowa/illinois have deere and case.

Clinton Iowa has ADM. Camanche Iowa that is smaller than belle plaine sk has a pipe mill once owned by IPSCO. All within about 40 miles and there are many more. And in between there are probably 20 machine/welding shops. And on the drive you will find one of the largest transportation systems in the world - the MISSISSIPPI.

[bgmb]

I don't think the government should make any special payments for the "flooding" crop insurance and agristability to a lesser extent should keep people with sound finances in the game.

What bothers me with agristability is how Ritz screwed with the margin calculations and now guys who have low costs relative to their income are screwed over when a big disaster does hit because their cost structure is different. Basically the best margins got cut down and that's not the way a program like that should work.

[bgmb]

By the way hobby it's got nothing to do with big or small I bet